-- May 2, 1899; Tuesday
Presidents [Lorenzo] Snow and [Joseph F.] Smith were at the Office. Dr. James E. Talmage called and had a long talk with President Snow on the subjects of philosophy, religion and science. Brother Talmage expects to go to Europe again, and President Snow offered to assist him in the sum of $300. Brother Talmage suggested the idea of his preparing the manuscript for a book on the subject of evolution, with the understanding that he was not to show the manuscript to any person until he had first submitted it to the Presidency. President Snow acquiesced in the suggestion.
Governor Heber M. Wells, accompanied by Brothers James Sharp and Spencer Clawson, called upon the Presidency, the object being to borrow some money for the purpose of completing the Brigham Young Monument. President Snow offered to advance the sum of $300, if that would aid them. The offer was accepted. ... (1)
-- May 4, 1899
[Apostle Marriner W. Merrill Diary] Thursday. Logan. I wrote to President Snow for $3,000.00 due me on Church books' back account to assist me in building. (2)
-- Thursday, May 4, 1899
[Apostle Rudger Clawson Diary] Salt Lake City. Clear and cool. 11 a.m. Meeting of the brethren at the temple. Present: Presidents Lorenzo Snow and Jos. F. Smith, Pres. F. D. Richards, and Apostles B. Young, Jr., F. M. Lyman, Geo. Teasdale, A. H. Lund, R. Clawson, and A. O. Woodruff, [and Heber J. Grant].
Pres. Snow stated a trip by the Presidency and some members of the Twelve through the southern settlements to St. George was in contemplation, the party to leave about June 1, 1899. A letter from W. W. Cluff, Pres. Summit Stake, inviting the Presidency to be present at the dedication of the Summit Stake Tabernacle, was read, [to be held on] May 14 and 15. Pres. Snow said he thought likely he would be able to accept the invitation.
Apostle Teasdale reported his visit to the Bannock Stake Conference and said the following changes had been effected: Clarence Eldredge was ordained a high priest and set apart as 2d counselor to Pres. [Lewis S.] Pond; Alma E. Hubbard ordained a high priest and set apart as bishop of Grace Ward; Peter J. Williams set apart as bishop of Hatch Ward; Wm. Ansel Hatch set apart as 1st counselor to Bp. Williams and Alma Hogan 2d counselor to Bp. Williams; Rufus Voscoe Call 2d coun. to Pres. [J. W.] Hubbard of [stake] Y.M.M.I.A.; Ira Call resigned and Christian Nielsen was transferred from 2d to 1st coun. to Pres. Hubbard; Heber Carlos Loveland ordained a high priest and set apart as 2d counselor to Bp. [Judson A.] Tolman of Chesterfield.
Pres. [John W.] Hess of the Davis [Stake] recommended (by letter) Nelson [Melvin] H. Randall as Bp. of Centerville to succeed Bp. [Aaron B.] Porter resigned. Recommendation sustained.
Apostle Teasdale referred to the case of Chas. Higginson, who seduced his wife [Charlotte Muir] before marriage, not confessing his transgression until after the child was born, when he offered to marry her which he did and was forgiven. Outside of this affair, he was exemplary. Subsequently, he took a mission and while absent his wife was corrupted by two men. She was excommunicated. She pled for forgiveness and he forgave her and took her back. This gave offense to the people of his ward. The question that agitated the minds of the bishopric at present was as to the propriety of receiving her into the church. Bro. Teasdale thought that, if she were truly penitent, she should be given a standing in the church.
Apostle H. J. Grant reported his recent trip to San Francisco, where [he] attended some meetings of the saints. At one of the meetings, Elder [Ephraim H.] Nye, president of the [California] Mission, was the principal speaker and in the course of his remarks criticized the views and tenets of the Christian denominations rather too strongly—a policy, he thought, that would have a tendency to antagonize the stranger against us. He found the mission, he said, in a prosperous condition. Speaking of the Salt Lake Tribune, which is vilifying the our [sic] people, he thought [it] a disgrace for the saints to patronize it.
The question of the attitude of the Deseret News toward the Tribune was discussed. It was the feeling of the brethren that Editor Penrose was a little too pugnacious—and that the better policy would be to treat that paper with silent contempt. Pres. Snow intimated that he would have a talk with Bro. Penrose respecting the matter.
It was decided by unanimous vote that the second choice of the brethren for the government building, should there be a failure in getting the [Deseret] News corner, would be the old city hall corner, and, if necessary, $10,000 would be appropriated by the church to locate it on that site. Benediction by Pres. Jos. F. Smith. (3)
Endnotes:
1 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
2 - Notes from the Miscellaneous Record Book, 1886-1906: Selected diary notes from the journal books of Marriner Wood Merrill, http://amzn.to/newmormonstudies
3 - Stan Larson (editor), A Ministry of Meetings: The Apostolic diaries of Rudger Clawson, Signature Books in association with Smith Research Associates, Salt Lake City, 1993, http://bit.ly/rudgerclawson
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
http://lds-church-history.blogspot.com/
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Lorenzo Snow, Thursday, Apr 27, 1899
-- Thursday, Apr 27, 1899
[Apostle John Henry Smith Diary] Salt Lake City
All of the Presidency and Franklin D. Richards, Brigham Young, Francis M. Lyman, Myself, Geo. Teasdale, Marriner W. Merrill, Anthon H. Lund, Mattbias F. Cowley, Abraham O. Woodruff, and Rudger Clawson met in the Temple and had prayer and assigned the brethren to their fields of labor for the next two weeks.
We adjourned to the President's office to consider and took into consideration the tender of President Geo. Q. Cannon of his share of the dedicated stock in the Beck and Bullion & Champion Mining Co. to President Lorenzo Snow to be held by him for the purpose designed in the Revelation. [See August 27, 1896, diary entry and note.]
President Joseph F. Smith moved that the President accept the tender. I seconded the motion. After some talk by several of the brethren, the motion carried. There were 7,500 shares of stock and something from the dividends.
[Went to Colorado, Kansas City, Independence, St. Louis, Nashville, and other cities in the East with Sarah.] (1)
-- Apr 27, 1899
[Apostle Marriner W. Merrill Diary] Thursday. Salt Lake City. I attended the Council meeting at 11 a. m., and another meeting at the President's office at 12:15 p. m. This meeting continued in session until 3:30 p. m. discussing Bullion Beck matters. Dedicated stocks, etc. President Cannon turned over all the dedicated stock to President Snow as Trustee-in-Trust for the Church that he had in his possession, with the accrued interest up to date. (2)
-- Apr 27, 1899; Thursday
Presidents [Lorenzo] Snow, [George Q.] Cannon and [Joseph F.] Smith were at the Office, where they received a call from Mr. Cameron of the Rapid Transit Railroad Company of this city, whose object was to enlist the cooperation of the church in obtaining for that company a right of way over South Temple Street between State and Main, and up North Main to North Temple. Mr. Cameron was promised what help could be consistently afforded.
At 11 A.M. the regular meeting of the First Presidency and the Apostles convened in the Temple. Present: Presidents Lorenzo Snow, George Q. Cannon, Joseph F. Smith and Franklin D. Richards; Apostles Brigham Young [Jr.], Francis M. Lyman, John Henry Smith, George Teasdale, Marriner W. Merrill, Anthon H. Lund, Matthias F. Cowley, Abraham O[wen]. Woodruff and Rudger Clawson. ...
Brother Lund was handed certain papers and requested to investigate a complaint made by a Brother and Sister Hansen against a Brother Ek, which case had been before the High Council of Cache [Utah] Stake and decided against Brother Hansen.
Brother Lund reported having received a letter from Elder F[erdinand]. F. Hintze of the Turkish Mission, stating that he had gone into Greece. Brother Hintze suggested the purchase of a piece of land and the sending of a blacksmith, a dentist and a merchant to help to establish a colony there. ...
President Snow now informed the Council that business of importance was to be considered and that an adjournment would be taken to the President's Office.
At 12:15 p.m. the adjourned meeting convened, all being present who were at the meeting in the Temple; also Bishops [William B.] Preston, [Robert T.] Burton and [John R.] Winder and Bishop H[iram]. B. Clawson.
President Cannon was asked to state the object of the meeting. He said that he had felt impressed for some time, and especially since President [Wilford] Woodruff's death, to transfer to President Snow as Trustee-in-trust what is known as the "dedicated stock" in the Bullion-Beck mine. He had therefore drawn out a statement concerning it, including the amount received by him in the shape of dividends, the disposition he had made of these funds and what remained in his hands. When this was proposed to President Snow he felt disinclined to accept such a statement at once, taking time to consider the matter a little further; afterwards, a week ago to-day, they had a meeting at which the affairs of the Sterling mine were investigated; a meeting which the speaker said he was very desirous should take place, for one reason particularly--to clear up the relationship of the First Presidency to that mine, and he was pleased with the result. When thinking about it afterwards, it occurred to him that there was something necessary for him to do in relation to this other matter. President Snow having taken into consideration the expense of this mine, (the Sterling), he (President Cannon) felt to propose the turning over of the "dedicated Stock" in the other mine, on behalf of the late First Presidency, to liquidate the obligation assumed by them in connection with the Sterling property; and he subsequently proposed this to President Snow. The latter desired to submit the matter to the Twelve, and expressed the wish that nothing be done in the premises until he had thought more about it. This meeting was the result of a proposition to turn over the dedicated stock to the Trustee-in-trust.
President Snow then said that he would like to have the proposition read, and President Cannon thereupon read a statement that he had had prepared in book form, giving the history of the dedicated stock and accounting for the dividends received by him from the same and the disbursements that he had made. Following are the figures; taken from the book containing the history of the stock:
There were 7,373 shares, valued at $10 a share. On this stock there had been received in dividends, $159,669.69, and interest thereon amounting to $20,000. Total amount of receipts, $179,669.69. Disbursements: Paid on Sterling mine, $11,177.78; invested in Cannon-Grant Company, $36,000; Temple donation, $4,000; for tithing and personal services $40,000; donation to
Utah Loan and Trust Company, $2,000; donation to Charles M. Wilcken, $500; donation to some party (name not given) $1,000. President Cannon now proposed to turn over to the Trustee-in-trust the house and lot known as Cannon House, (corner First West and South Temple Streets, Salt Lake City) at $60,000; One hundred and seventy shares of Saltair Beach stock, at $100 a share, making $170,000; Church bonds, $1,500; and cash $6,391.91, amounting in all to $179,669.69.
President Snow asked the brethren present to express themselves, and after Bishop Clawson had withdrawn, after testifying to a certain matter connected with the original transaction, upon which point Apostle John Henry Smith also testified, President Joseph F. Smith, Bishop Preston, Brother Merrill, Brother Lyman and others, spoke upon the question, which President Snow stated to be: Will the brethren accept from President Cannon this dedicated stock and the accounting he makes of its dividends. He said that if all the earnings of the stock were to be turned over in cash there could be no question in receiving the trust; but the question was whether the brethren could accept of it for the Church in the condition in which it now came. He had previously remarked that it was a very serious matter, more serious than the Council might imagine, and he did not feel to accept of this accounting, in fact could not conscientiously do so, as representing the Lord, without first laying the matter before the Apostles and the Presiding Bishopric. He did not propose to express any opinion upon it at present, but it became a serious matter when looked at in its full light. This fund was created by revelation given to President [John] Taylor, who received another revelation confirming the former one, and to the effect that a portion of the fund should be used to assist President Cannon on a certain occasion. It was a holy and sacred trust to President Taylor, and whether it would be right to blot out the fund entirely, so that it would cease to exist after his death, was a grave question, and one for the Council to decide. Whatever the spirit suggested, he for one would accept without hesitation.
President Smith said that the dedicated stock concern was one of those things that perhaps had never been heard of before, and whose parallel would never be heard of again. It never pretended to stand upon business principles. It was something that originated with President Taylor and the Lord. He went on to give President Taylor's reasons for establishing the fund, a fund that might be used as the tithing could not be used. The fund consisted of three-fifths of the Bullion-Beck Mining stock, and its object was to protect the liberties of our people; also to purchase the Jackson County [Missouri] Temple lot, the Kirtland [Ohio] Temple lot and other properties which had been in possession of the Church; but the upshot came when President Taylor's heirs, John Beck and others drew out of the combination. President Smith favored President Snow's receiving this trust from President Cannon, without going into its history or the merits of the case, thus leaving the latter responsible for its past use. President
Snow to become alike responsible for it and free to use it as he might deem proper.
Brother Lyman and Brother John Henry Smith, both agreed with President Smith that President Snow should accept of President Cannon's tender of this fund, and the former thought it would be a good idea to apply it on the Sterling mine indebtedness. The latter thought that the fund should never have been in the hands of any one but the Trustee-in-trust, who had given a bond in connection with the Bullion-Beck mine's troubles, a proceeding to which he and other Apostles objected at the time, until President Taylor told them that it was the will of the Lord. This occurred at Bishop Winder's house in the days of the "raid".
Brother Merrill said it appeared that no one connected with the fund had any respect for it except President Cannon, all others having withdrawn their interests in it, and he could not see why President Cannon should contribute this means to the Church, and all the rest go free; he thought President Cannon was just as much entitled to his share of the fund as the others.
President Snow (to Brother Merrill): But you did not understand anything about the dedication, while President Cannon understood all about it, and he dedicated this means to the Lord through President Taylor.
President Cannon: Yes, this stock is dedicated, and is the Lord's, and you President Snow can make of it as you please.
President Smith then made the following motion: I move that in consideration of the facts set forth and involved in the evidence, as shown in the written documents we have heard read, that it be the sense of this Council that this property is dedicated property, and was absolutely put into the hands of President Cannon to do with as he pleased, without being questioned or asked to give an account of it by anybody, the Church or anybody else; that the property being absolutely his, to do with it as he pleases, we therefore accept of his tender of this property for the use and benefit of the Church.
The motion was seconded by Brother John Henry Smith, and President Richards and Brothers Woodruff, Clawson, Lund, Cowley and Teasdale then expressed themselves in favor of President Snow's receiving the fund from President Cannon for the use of the Church, and using it or any portion of it as he might see proper.
President Cannon reminded the brethren of the circumstances under which this fund was turned over to him. President Taylor and he were alone, so to speak; President Smith not having returned from the Islands, and none of the Twelve being at hand. President Taylor, who had brought him up, and was his uncle by marriage, had entire confidence in him, and knew, from his past course, as chief executor of President [Brigham] Young's estate, that he desired to respect the rights of the Church. Was it to be wondered at that he placed confidence in him, as President Young had previously done, knowing him as he did personally? The speaker thought that the confidence was warranted, especially when there was nobody else to counsel with. It should be remembered, too, that at that time the Bullion-Beck stock was practically without value. It was all very
well to say now what should have been done, since the mine had become valuable. Would anybody blame President [Wilford] Woodruff had he given the Sterling mine in a similar way with its present value. All the circumstances surrounding the transaction at the time should be considered, and not the circumstances that govern to-day.
After some further talk, President Snow put the motion, which was carried unanimously.
Bishop Preston now asked that his name and the names of Brothers M[arriner]. W[ood]. Merrill and C[harles]. O. Card, which had been mentioned as holding dedicated stock, be not numbered among such stockholders, as there was no dedication whatever by them of the stock they held in the Bullion-Beck mine. The Bishop had previously stated that while he was President of Cache [Utah] Stake, with Brothers Merrill and Card as his counselors, President Taylor had asked him and his counselors to raise $5,000 for him, as he was very much pressed for money. Half that amount was raised and taken to the President, who was not even asked what was to be done with it, neither was any explanation made. He was afterwards informed by President Taylor that he was a stockholder in the Bullion-Beck mine. He had nothing to do with the dedication of the stock, knew nothing of it, neither did his counselors, and later, when Moses Thatcher and the Taylor heirs began fussing over it, he wondered what it was all about. To this statement Brother Merrill added a similar one, saying that until Arthur Stayner wrote to him, asking him if he wanted to sell his shares in the Bullion-Beck Mining Company, he did not know that he was connected with it, and as for the dedicated stock and its troubles, he knew nothing at all about them.
In conclusion, President Cannon expressed his thanks to the brethren for their patience in listening to him, and for receiving at his hands the tender of the dedicated stock.
The meeting then dismissed.
The sum of $10.75 was appropriated to purchase medicine and pay the fares of one Dr. Lowell and a woman companion to the Hawaiian Colony of Josepa in Tooele County [Utah]. They go to the colony believing that they can cure the cases of leprosy there.
A message was sent by cable to Liverpool [England], releasing from the European Mission, Elder Joshua Coombs, whose wife is said to be in a dying condition. (3)
Endnotes:
1 - Jean Bickmore White (editor), Church, State, and Politics: The Diaries of John Henry Smith, Signature Books in association with Smith Research Associates, Salt Lake City, 1990, http://bit.ly/johnhenrysmith
2 - Notes from the Miscellaneous Record Book, 1886-1906: Selected diary notes from the journal books of Marriner Wood Merrill, http://amzn.to/newmormonstudies
3 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
http://lds-church-history.blogspot.com/
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[Apostle John Henry Smith Diary] Salt Lake City
All of the Presidency and Franklin D. Richards, Brigham Young, Francis M. Lyman, Myself, Geo. Teasdale, Marriner W. Merrill, Anthon H. Lund, Mattbias F. Cowley, Abraham O. Woodruff, and Rudger Clawson met in the Temple and had prayer and assigned the brethren to their fields of labor for the next two weeks.
We adjourned to the President's office to consider and took into consideration the tender of President Geo. Q. Cannon of his share of the dedicated stock in the Beck and Bullion & Champion Mining Co. to President Lorenzo Snow to be held by him for the purpose designed in the Revelation. [See August 27, 1896, diary entry and note.]
President Joseph F. Smith moved that the President accept the tender. I seconded the motion. After some talk by several of the brethren, the motion carried. There were 7,500 shares of stock and something from the dividends.
[Went to Colorado, Kansas City, Independence, St. Louis, Nashville, and other cities in the East with Sarah.] (1)
-- Apr 27, 1899
[Apostle Marriner W. Merrill Diary] Thursday. Salt Lake City. I attended the Council meeting at 11 a. m., and another meeting at the President's office at 12:15 p. m. This meeting continued in session until 3:30 p. m. discussing Bullion Beck matters. Dedicated stocks, etc. President Cannon turned over all the dedicated stock to President Snow as Trustee-in-Trust for the Church that he had in his possession, with the accrued interest up to date. (2)
-- Apr 27, 1899; Thursday
Presidents [Lorenzo] Snow, [George Q.] Cannon and [Joseph F.] Smith were at the Office, where they received a call from Mr. Cameron of the Rapid Transit Railroad Company of this city, whose object was to enlist the cooperation of the church in obtaining for that company a right of way over South Temple Street between State and Main, and up North Main to North Temple. Mr. Cameron was promised what help could be consistently afforded.
At 11 A.M. the regular meeting of the First Presidency and the Apostles convened in the Temple. Present: Presidents Lorenzo Snow, George Q. Cannon, Joseph F. Smith and Franklin D. Richards; Apostles Brigham Young [Jr.], Francis M. Lyman, John Henry Smith, George Teasdale, Marriner W. Merrill, Anthon H. Lund, Matthias F. Cowley, Abraham O[wen]. Woodruff and Rudger Clawson. ...
Brother Lund was handed certain papers and requested to investigate a complaint made by a Brother and Sister Hansen against a Brother Ek, which case had been before the High Council of Cache [Utah] Stake and decided against Brother Hansen.
Brother Lund reported having received a letter from Elder F[erdinand]. F. Hintze of the Turkish Mission, stating that he had gone into Greece. Brother Hintze suggested the purchase of a piece of land and the sending of a blacksmith, a dentist and a merchant to help to establish a colony there. ...
President Snow now informed the Council that business of importance was to be considered and that an adjournment would be taken to the President's Office.
At 12:15 p.m. the adjourned meeting convened, all being present who were at the meeting in the Temple; also Bishops [William B.] Preston, [Robert T.] Burton and [John R.] Winder and Bishop H[iram]. B. Clawson.
President Cannon was asked to state the object of the meeting. He said that he had felt impressed for some time, and especially since President [Wilford] Woodruff's death, to transfer to President Snow as Trustee-in-trust what is known as the "dedicated stock" in the Bullion-Beck mine. He had therefore drawn out a statement concerning it, including the amount received by him in the shape of dividends, the disposition he had made of these funds and what remained in his hands. When this was proposed to President Snow he felt disinclined to accept such a statement at once, taking time to consider the matter a little further; afterwards, a week ago to-day, they had a meeting at which the affairs of the Sterling mine were investigated; a meeting which the speaker said he was very desirous should take place, for one reason particularly--to clear up the relationship of the First Presidency to that mine, and he was pleased with the result. When thinking about it afterwards, it occurred to him that there was something necessary for him to do in relation to this other matter. President Snow having taken into consideration the expense of this mine, (the Sterling), he (President Cannon) felt to propose the turning over of the "dedicated Stock" in the other mine, on behalf of the late First Presidency, to liquidate the obligation assumed by them in connection with the Sterling property; and he subsequently proposed this to President Snow. The latter desired to submit the matter to the Twelve, and expressed the wish that nothing be done in the premises until he had thought more about it. This meeting was the result of a proposition to turn over the dedicated stock to the Trustee-in-trust.
President Snow then said that he would like to have the proposition read, and President Cannon thereupon read a statement that he had had prepared in book form, giving the history of the dedicated stock and accounting for the dividends received by him from the same and the disbursements that he had made. Following are the figures; taken from the book containing the history of the stock:
There were 7,373 shares, valued at $10 a share. On this stock there had been received in dividends, $159,669.69, and interest thereon amounting to $20,000. Total amount of receipts, $179,669.69. Disbursements: Paid on Sterling mine, $11,177.78; invested in Cannon-Grant Company, $36,000; Temple donation, $4,000; for tithing and personal services $40,000; donation to
Utah Loan and Trust Company, $2,000; donation to Charles M. Wilcken, $500; donation to some party (name not given) $1,000. President Cannon now proposed to turn over to the Trustee-in-trust the house and lot known as Cannon House, (corner First West and South Temple Streets, Salt Lake City) at $60,000; One hundred and seventy shares of Saltair Beach stock, at $100 a share, making $170,000; Church bonds, $1,500; and cash $6,391.91, amounting in all to $179,669.69.
President Snow asked the brethren present to express themselves, and after Bishop Clawson had withdrawn, after testifying to a certain matter connected with the original transaction, upon which point Apostle John Henry Smith also testified, President Joseph F. Smith, Bishop Preston, Brother Merrill, Brother Lyman and others, spoke upon the question, which President Snow stated to be: Will the brethren accept from President Cannon this dedicated stock and the accounting he makes of its dividends. He said that if all the earnings of the stock were to be turned over in cash there could be no question in receiving the trust; but the question was whether the brethren could accept of it for the Church in the condition in which it now came. He had previously remarked that it was a very serious matter, more serious than the Council might imagine, and he did not feel to accept of this accounting, in fact could not conscientiously do so, as representing the Lord, without first laying the matter before the Apostles and the Presiding Bishopric. He did not propose to express any opinion upon it at present, but it became a serious matter when looked at in its full light. This fund was created by revelation given to President [John] Taylor, who received another revelation confirming the former one, and to the effect that a portion of the fund should be used to assist President Cannon on a certain occasion. It was a holy and sacred trust to President Taylor, and whether it would be right to blot out the fund entirely, so that it would cease to exist after his death, was a grave question, and one for the Council to decide. Whatever the spirit suggested, he for one would accept without hesitation.
President Smith said that the dedicated stock concern was one of those things that perhaps had never been heard of before, and whose parallel would never be heard of again. It never pretended to stand upon business principles. It was something that originated with President Taylor and the Lord. He went on to give President Taylor's reasons for establishing the fund, a fund that might be used as the tithing could not be used. The fund consisted of three-fifths of the Bullion-Beck Mining stock, and its object was to protect the liberties of our people; also to purchase the Jackson County [Missouri] Temple lot, the Kirtland [Ohio] Temple lot and other properties which had been in possession of the Church; but the upshot came when President Taylor's heirs, John Beck and others drew out of the combination. President Smith favored President Snow's receiving this trust from President Cannon, without going into its history or the merits of the case, thus leaving the latter responsible for its past use. President
Snow to become alike responsible for it and free to use it as he might deem proper.
Brother Lyman and Brother John Henry Smith, both agreed with President Smith that President Snow should accept of President Cannon's tender of this fund, and the former thought it would be a good idea to apply it on the Sterling mine indebtedness. The latter thought that the fund should never have been in the hands of any one but the Trustee-in-trust, who had given a bond in connection with the Bullion-Beck mine's troubles, a proceeding to which he and other Apostles objected at the time, until President Taylor told them that it was the will of the Lord. This occurred at Bishop Winder's house in the days of the "raid".
Brother Merrill said it appeared that no one connected with the fund had any respect for it except President Cannon, all others having withdrawn their interests in it, and he could not see why President Cannon should contribute this means to the Church, and all the rest go free; he thought President Cannon was just as much entitled to his share of the fund as the others.
President Snow (to Brother Merrill): But you did not understand anything about the dedication, while President Cannon understood all about it, and he dedicated this means to the Lord through President Taylor.
President Cannon: Yes, this stock is dedicated, and is the Lord's, and you President Snow can make of it as you please.
President Smith then made the following motion: I move that in consideration of the facts set forth and involved in the evidence, as shown in the written documents we have heard read, that it be the sense of this Council that this property is dedicated property, and was absolutely put into the hands of President Cannon to do with as he pleased, without being questioned or asked to give an account of it by anybody, the Church or anybody else; that the property being absolutely his, to do with it as he pleases, we therefore accept of his tender of this property for the use and benefit of the Church.
The motion was seconded by Brother John Henry Smith, and President Richards and Brothers Woodruff, Clawson, Lund, Cowley and Teasdale then expressed themselves in favor of President Snow's receiving the fund from President Cannon for the use of the Church, and using it or any portion of it as he might see proper.
President Cannon reminded the brethren of the circumstances under which this fund was turned over to him. President Taylor and he were alone, so to speak; President Smith not having returned from the Islands, and none of the Twelve being at hand. President Taylor, who had brought him up, and was his uncle by marriage, had entire confidence in him, and knew, from his past course, as chief executor of President [Brigham] Young's estate, that he desired to respect the rights of the Church. Was it to be wondered at that he placed confidence in him, as President Young had previously done, knowing him as he did personally? The speaker thought that the confidence was warranted, especially when there was nobody else to counsel with. It should be remembered, too, that at that time the Bullion-Beck stock was practically without value. It was all very
well to say now what should have been done, since the mine had become valuable. Would anybody blame President [Wilford] Woodruff had he given the Sterling mine in a similar way with its present value. All the circumstances surrounding the transaction at the time should be considered, and not the circumstances that govern to-day.
After some further talk, President Snow put the motion, which was carried unanimously.
Bishop Preston now asked that his name and the names of Brothers M[arriner]. W[ood]. Merrill and C[harles]. O. Card, which had been mentioned as holding dedicated stock, be not numbered among such stockholders, as there was no dedication whatever by them of the stock they held in the Bullion-Beck mine. The Bishop had previously stated that while he was President of Cache [Utah] Stake, with Brothers Merrill and Card as his counselors, President Taylor had asked him and his counselors to raise $5,000 for him, as he was very much pressed for money. Half that amount was raised and taken to the President, who was not even asked what was to be done with it, neither was any explanation made. He was afterwards informed by President Taylor that he was a stockholder in the Bullion-Beck mine. He had nothing to do with the dedication of the stock, knew nothing of it, neither did his counselors, and later, when Moses Thatcher and the Taylor heirs began fussing over it, he wondered what it was all about. To this statement Brother Merrill added a similar one, saying that until Arthur Stayner wrote to him, asking him if he wanted to sell his shares in the Bullion-Beck Mining Company, he did not know that he was connected with it, and as for the dedicated stock and its troubles, he knew nothing at all about them.
In conclusion, President Cannon expressed his thanks to the brethren for their patience in listening to him, and for receiving at his hands the tender of the dedicated stock.
The meeting then dismissed.
The sum of $10.75 was appropriated to purchase medicine and pay the fares of one Dr. Lowell and a woman companion to the Hawaiian Colony of Josepa in Tooele County [Utah]. They go to the colony believing that they can cure the cases of leprosy there.
A message was sent by cable to Liverpool [England], releasing from the European Mission, Elder Joshua Coombs, whose wife is said to be in a dying condition. (3)
Endnotes:
1 - Jean Bickmore White (editor), Church, State, and Politics: The Diaries of John Henry Smith, Signature Books in association with Smith Research Associates, Salt Lake City, 1990, http://bit.ly/johnhenrysmith
2 - Notes from the Miscellaneous Record Book, 1886-1906: Selected diary notes from the journal books of Marriner Wood Merrill, http://amzn.to/newmormonstudies
3 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
http://lds-church-history.blogspot.com/
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Lorenzo Snow, Apr 26, 1899; Wednesday
-- Apr 26, 1899; Wednesday
Presidents [Lorenzo] Snow, [George Q.] Cannon and [Joseph F.] Smith were at the Office. Bishop [William B.] Preston called this morning and had a talk with President Snow about securing some land in Bear Lake Valley [Idaho/Utah] as a home for the Church cattle. The President approved of the proposition. He also informed the Bishop that he had concluded to visit the settlements by carriage conveyance as President [Brigham] Young used to do, and asked him to see what would be necessary in the line of furnishing carriages to go as far south as St. George [Utah].
As the result of a conversation between Presidents Snow and Cannon, it was decided that all the Apostles within reach should be invited to be present at their regular meeting to-morrow, as important business was to be considered.
The Federal Building committee called on the Presidency, representing that they had succeeded in getting subscriptions for street paving to the required amount and perhaps over. After quite a lengthy conversation, it was decided to offer to the government as an inducement for placing the building on the News corner seventeen and a half rods square, with a view to opening up and setting apart for public use a street around this property. This was to be done for fear that if twenty rods square were tendered and accepted, the government would open up this street and regard it as private.
The sum of $7.50 was appropriated to purchase one hundred pamphlets entitled "Mormons and Mormonism" by Mr. Charles Ellis, to be sent to Mr. William George Garrison. (1)
-- Apr 26, 1899
Presidents [Lorenzo] Snow, [George Q.] Cannon and [Joseph F.] Smith were at the Office. Bishop [William B.] Preston called this morning and had a talk with President Snow about securing some land in Bear Lake Valley [Idaho/Utah] as a home for the Church cattle. The President approved of the proposition. He also informed the Bishop that he had concluded to visit the settlements by carriage conveyance as President [Brigham] Young used to do, and asked him to see what would be necessary in the line of furnishing carriages to go as far south as St. George [Utah].
As the result of a conversation between Presidents Snow and Cannon, it was decided that all the Apostles within reach should be invited to be present at their regular meeting to-morrow, as important business was to be considered.
The Federal Building committee called on the Presidency, representing that they had succeeded in getting subscriptions for street paving to the required amount and perhaps over. After quite a lengthy conversation, it was decided to offer to the government as an inducement for placing the building on the News corner seventeen and a half rods square, with a view to opening up and setting apart for public use a street around this property. This was to be done for fear that if twenty rods square were tendered and accepted, the government would open up this street and regard it as private.
The sum of $7.50 was appropriated to purchase one hundred pamphlets entitled "Mormons and Mormonism" by Mr. Charles Ellis, to be sent to Mr. William George Garrison. (2)
Endnotes:
1 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
2 - Journal History
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
http://lds-church-history.blogspot.com/
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Presidents [Lorenzo] Snow, [George Q.] Cannon and [Joseph F.] Smith were at the Office. Bishop [William B.] Preston called this morning and had a talk with President Snow about securing some land in Bear Lake Valley [Idaho/Utah] as a home for the Church cattle. The President approved of the proposition. He also informed the Bishop that he had concluded to visit the settlements by carriage conveyance as President [Brigham] Young used to do, and asked him to see what would be necessary in the line of furnishing carriages to go as far south as St. George [Utah].
As the result of a conversation between Presidents Snow and Cannon, it was decided that all the Apostles within reach should be invited to be present at their regular meeting to-morrow, as important business was to be considered.
The Federal Building committee called on the Presidency, representing that they had succeeded in getting subscriptions for street paving to the required amount and perhaps over. After quite a lengthy conversation, it was decided to offer to the government as an inducement for placing the building on the News corner seventeen and a half rods square, with a view to opening up and setting apart for public use a street around this property. This was to be done for fear that if twenty rods square were tendered and accepted, the government would open up this street and regard it as private.
The sum of $7.50 was appropriated to purchase one hundred pamphlets entitled "Mormons and Mormonism" by Mr. Charles Ellis, to be sent to Mr. William George Garrison. (1)
-- Apr 26, 1899
Presidents [Lorenzo] Snow, [George Q.] Cannon and [Joseph F.] Smith were at the Office. Bishop [William B.] Preston called this morning and had a talk with President Snow about securing some land in Bear Lake Valley [Idaho/Utah] as a home for the Church cattle. The President approved of the proposition. He also informed the Bishop that he had concluded to visit the settlements by carriage conveyance as President [Brigham] Young used to do, and asked him to see what would be necessary in the line of furnishing carriages to go as far south as St. George [Utah].
As the result of a conversation between Presidents Snow and Cannon, it was decided that all the Apostles within reach should be invited to be present at their regular meeting to-morrow, as important business was to be considered.
The Federal Building committee called on the Presidency, representing that they had succeeded in getting subscriptions for street paving to the required amount and perhaps over. After quite a lengthy conversation, it was decided to offer to the government as an inducement for placing the building on the News corner seventeen and a half rods square, with a view to opening up and setting apart for public use a street around this property. This was to be done for fear that if twenty rods square were tendered and accepted, the government would open up this street and regard it as private.
The sum of $7.50 was appropriated to purchase one hundred pamphlets entitled "Mormons and Mormonism" by Mr. Charles Ellis, to be sent to Mr. William George Garrison. (2)
Endnotes:
1 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
2 - Journal History
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
http://lds-church-history.blogspot.com/
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Lorenzo Snow, Apr 24, 1899; Monday
-- Apr 24, 1899; Monday
Apostle Brigham Young [Jr.] reported to President Snow the substance of an interview had by President [George Q.] Cannon and himself with officials of the Canadian Pacific railway system, chaperoned by Joseph H. Young, local superintendent of the Oregon Short Line; which interview was arranged for on Saturday evening to take place the following morning at the President's Office. Brother Young reported that the interview was a very pleasant one, the Canadian gentlemen offering to place at the disposal of the First Presidency at any time a private car to take them over their railroad system.
This afternoon, from about 4 to 6 o'clock, President [Lorenzo] Snow was engaged in private conversation with President Cannon upon the subject of the turning over by the latter of the "dedicated" Bullion-Beck mining stock and the accounting for dividends upon the same. President Snow, after President Cannon had gone for the night, informed Secretary [George F.] Gibbs that he had told Brother Cannon that he would prefer the tender of the stock and the accounting to be submitted to the Council of the Apostles, or to such of the Apostles as Brother Cannon might name, and that if they accepted of the same he would agree to accept of it. President Snow also stated that President Cannon expressed a desire to have this "dedicated" stock used for the purpose of covering the losses sustained by the Church in the Sterling mine. This proposition was to be considered.
Prior to this interview Elder William T. Jack, President of the South-western States Mission, had a long talk with President Snow before setting out upon his return to St. John, Kansas, the seat of his missionary labors. Brother Jack convinced President Snow that he could have tracts and books printed at St. John much cheaper than in this city, and he stated that he had taken the liberty of doing so, thus saving money to the mission. President Snow approved of his course. (1)
-- Apr 24, 1899
Apostle Brigham Young [Jr.] reported to President Snow the substance of an interview had by President [George Q.] Cannon and himself with officials of the Canadian Pacific railway system, chaperoned by Joseph H. Young, local superintendent of the Oregon Short Line; which interview was arranged for on Saturday evening to take place the following morning at the President's Office. Brother Young reported that the interview was a very pleasant one, the Canadian gentlemen offering to place at the disposal of the First Presidency at any time a private car to take them over their railroad system.
This afternoon, from about 4 to 6 o'clock, President [Lorenzo] Snow was engaged in private conversation with President Cannon upon the subject of the turning over by the latter of the "dedicated" Bullion-Beck mining stock and the accounting for dividends upon the same. President Snow, after President Cannon had gone for the night, informed Secretary [George F.] Gibbs that he had told Brother Cannon that he would prefer the tender of the stock and the accounting to be submitted to the Council of the Apostles, or to such of the Apostles as Brother Cannon might name, and that if they accepted of the same he would agree to accept of it. President Snow also stated that President Cannon expressed a desire to have this "dedicated" stock used for the purpose of covering the losses sustained by the Church in the Sterling mine. This proposition was to be considered.
Prior to this interview Elder William T. Jack, President of the South-western States Mission, had a long talk with President Snow before setting out upon his return to St. John, Kansas, the seat of his missionary labors. Brother Jack convinced President Snow that he could have tracts and books printed at St. John much cheaper than in this city, and he stated that he had taken the liberty of doing so, thus saving money to the mission. President Snow approved of his course. (2)
Endnotes:
1 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
2 - Journal History
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
http://lds-church-history.blogspot.com/
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Apostle Brigham Young [Jr.] reported to President Snow the substance of an interview had by President [George Q.] Cannon and himself with officials of the Canadian Pacific railway system, chaperoned by Joseph H. Young, local superintendent of the Oregon Short Line; which interview was arranged for on Saturday evening to take place the following morning at the President's Office. Brother Young reported that the interview was a very pleasant one, the Canadian gentlemen offering to place at the disposal of the First Presidency at any time a private car to take them over their railroad system.
This afternoon, from about 4 to 6 o'clock, President [Lorenzo] Snow was engaged in private conversation with President Cannon upon the subject of the turning over by the latter of the "dedicated" Bullion-Beck mining stock and the accounting for dividends upon the same. President Snow, after President Cannon had gone for the night, informed Secretary [George F.] Gibbs that he had told Brother Cannon that he would prefer the tender of the stock and the accounting to be submitted to the Council of the Apostles, or to such of the Apostles as Brother Cannon might name, and that if they accepted of the same he would agree to accept of it. President Snow also stated that President Cannon expressed a desire to have this "dedicated" stock used for the purpose of covering the losses sustained by the Church in the Sterling mine. This proposition was to be considered.
Prior to this interview Elder William T. Jack, President of the South-western States Mission, had a long talk with President Snow before setting out upon his return to St. John, Kansas, the seat of his missionary labors. Brother Jack convinced President Snow that he could have tracts and books printed at St. John much cheaper than in this city, and he stated that he had taken the liberty of doing so, thus saving money to the mission. President Snow approved of his course. (1)
-- Apr 24, 1899
Apostle Brigham Young [Jr.] reported to President Snow the substance of an interview had by President [George Q.] Cannon and himself with officials of the Canadian Pacific railway system, chaperoned by Joseph H. Young, local superintendent of the Oregon Short Line; which interview was arranged for on Saturday evening to take place the following morning at the President's Office. Brother Young reported that the interview was a very pleasant one, the Canadian gentlemen offering to place at the disposal of the First Presidency at any time a private car to take them over their railroad system.
This afternoon, from about 4 to 6 o'clock, President [Lorenzo] Snow was engaged in private conversation with President Cannon upon the subject of the turning over by the latter of the "dedicated" Bullion-Beck mining stock and the accounting for dividends upon the same. President Snow, after President Cannon had gone for the night, informed Secretary [George F.] Gibbs that he had told Brother Cannon that he would prefer the tender of the stock and the accounting to be submitted to the Council of the Apostles, or to such of the Apostles as Brother Cannon might name, and that if they accepted of the same he would agree to accept of it. President Snow also stated that President Cannon expressed a desire to have this "dedicated" stock used for the purpose of covering the losses sustained by the Church in the Sterling mine. This proposition was to be considered.
Prior to this interview Elder William T. Jack, President of the South-western States Mission, had a long talk with President Snow before setting out upon his return to St. John, Kansas, the seat of his missionary labors. Brother Jack convinced President Snow that he could have tracts and books printed at St. John much cheaper than in this city, and he stated that he had taken the liberty of doing so, thus saving money to the mission. President Snow approved of his course. (2)
Endnotes:
1 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
2 - Journal History
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
http://lds-church-history.blogspot.com/
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Lorenzo Snow, Apr 21, 1899; Friday
-- Apr 21, 1899; Friday
At 10:15 A.M. a meeting of the First Presidency and the Apostles was held, at which the following named brethren were present: Presidents Lorenzo Snow, George Q. Cannon, Joseph F. Smith and Franklin D. Richards; Apostles Brigham Young [Jr.], John Henry Smith, Anthon H. Lund, Matthias F. Cowley, Abraham O[wen]. Woodruff and Rudger Clawson, Elders James Jack and Nephi W. Clayton. The object of the meeting was to consider a proposition made by a gentleman named Henry Altman, who had seen President Snow about procuring an option to last for six months. The question to be considered was whether this option should be given, and if so how much should be asked for the property.
It was stated by Brother Clayton that the interest of the Church in the railroad, the pavilion and the Salt works amounted to about $110,000; that the salt enterprise was paying seven percent, with a reserve fund, but that the railroad and pavilion bonds were not paying anything.
President Smith recited the reasons which had led to the starting of the lake resort. His statement was substantially as follows: At the time the Saltair pavilion was built there were places of recreation beyond the control of the Church authorities, which were drawing away the young people and placing before them all kinds of temptations: originally it was the intention to have no bar-room connected with the pavilion, and to have it closed upon the Sabbath day; but in order to keep afloat financially a bar-room had to be provided, and the most respectable liquor man in the city was engaged to conduct it. Then it was found that Sunday trains had to be run, in order to meet the Gentile demand. The salt business was already in our hands, and it had proved a good enterprise. The speaker thought that if it were decided to retain these properties, the railroad should be extended and thus be made to pay. Personally he was very much averse to selling, especially since competition had been pretty much overcome. The Mormon people were the builders of nearly every railroad in the State, but now they were out of our hands and beyond our control. President Smith, in answer to a question by President Snow, stated that he could not see that we were in any particular danger from competition, unless it might be at some time in the future.
Brother Clayton emphasized the position taken by President Smith, with this exception; that the Oregon Short Line Company might cowork against our interests and compel the Salt Company to ship the salt over their road, but if they were to do this, the Salt Company could bring its salt to this city and take advantage of a competing line; if after this were done, both lines should pool against the Salt Company, it would then have to raise the price of salt. This could be done without fear of successful competition; and in fact the company could raise the price of Salt for its own benefit if it chose to do so.
President Snow stated that he had not expressed himself one way or the other regarding this matter, but he had heard that
other brethren had expressed themselves, and he now invited them to put themselves on record.
A discussion ensured, in which most of the brethren present took part. The motives that led to the founding of Saltair were commended, but it was referred to by Brother John Henry Smith as "an overbuilt proposition" and the bar connected with it as "a standing menace" to all who congregated there. The seeming necessity for its existence was deplored by all. In spite of it, however, it was the general opinion that Saltair was the most orderly and best conducted resort in the country. It was wisdom to provide pure and wholesome recreation for the people, and all tendencies to immorality should be restrained. This had been done at Saltair. The bar had even been closed on certain days, when Sunday schools and mutual Improvement Associations patronized the resort, and everything possible had been done to properly regulate the place and keep the atmosphere free from immorality. It was hoped that eventually the bar might be dispensed with and the Church be relieved from the embarrassing position it now occupied of running a pleasure resort and requiring its officials to use an influence to work up patronage for it. The Church had only taken hold of it in order to keep it under Mormon control, and because individual members of the Church could not be trusted to hold it, but would sell it, as they had other home enterprises, to the Gentiles, who had ways of making such things pay, that our brethren were unacquainted with or were unwilling to adopt. All the brethren felt that it was the correct policy to retain possession of the properties named if it were possible.
President Cannon was very emphatic on this point. He believed it to be our duty to hold on to the government of our country in every way possible. The question of profit was secondary with him. This was President [Brigham] Young's doctrine. If these enterprises were not profitable now, he believed that matters would be overruled so as to make them profitable. Referring to the first railroads in Utah, the speaker said that Captain [William H.] Hooper was always advocating the selling of the roads to obtain capital, but he himself opposed this policy, having observed that the men who held the railroads held the key to the situation and dictated terms. He asked what kind of a fix the Saints would be in if they accepted big offers and sold corner lots in the New Jerusalem. He referred to the selling of the Black Rock property by President [John] Taylor as an event that took place while he himself was absent, and after this Brother Clayton and others who had interests on the lake shore had come to the First Presidency for counsel as to selling out, and they had been advised to hold on. The speaker had never regretted being associated with them in carrying out this counsel and holding on to these properties. Even should competition come, he felt that we should struggle against it and overcome it. He denounced the rumors against Saltair as lies, lies circulated by our own people, and compared them to the criticisms passed upon President Young for building the Salt Lake Theatre. Even the Prophet Joseph [Smith] did not escape similar criticism. He would rather have his
family go to Saltair than to any other place of amusement that he was acquainted with (Brother Clayton had previously said something to the same effect, remarking that visitors who came there and stayed in their private cars had marveled at the good order that prevailed everywhere about the pavilion). At the same time, President Cannon remarked, he would be adverse to the Church taking hold of such things if individual brethren would do it and not sell out for money, as the Church authorities could then devote themselves to spiritual matters entirely.
President Snow here stated the question to be the selling of the railroad only, it being the understanding that it could be sold without selling the other interests. A formal vote was then taken, and all voted in favor of the retention of the properties.
President Snow said that he agreed with the brethren who had expressed themselves to the effect that when we get hold of a good piece of property that was serviceable to Zion we should not only have what we now possess, but should have the whole earth. The question was, how much should we have and try to get to-day. With regard to holding on to the properties under consideration, the only question with him was, were we able to do it. It had been said that we should run this railroad to the Coast; that was all right, if we were able to do it without overreaching ourselves. The Lord had said it was not right to run into debt, even to build temples. This injunction was applicable to railroads and other enterprises as well, which might be instituted for the benefit of Zion. The Church was heavily in debt; on the 16th of June the sum of $180,000 would have to be paid, if an extension could not be obtained, and there was only about $50,000 to meet it. He did not like this way of doing business, that is, by going into debt, for it placed us in the power of men who might injure us, if they felt so disposed. He believed in holding on, but he did not believe, while holding on like grim death, in getting more and more and getting so much as to be obliged perhaps to let everything go at a sacrifice. His great aim and object was to get the Church out of debt, and being imbued with this feeling he shrank from taking upon himself further responsibilities, unless it was absolutely necessary to do so. In conclusion he reminded the brethren present that having voted to sustain these enterprises, they were now under obligation so [t]o do.
The meeting then dismissed, and at 2:15 P.M. the Presidency and most of the brethren who had been together during the forenoon, went to the lake upon invitation of Brother Clayton. (1)
-- Apr 21, 1899
At 10:15 A.M. a meeting of the First Presidency and the Apostles was held, at which the following named brethren were present: Presidents Lorenzo Snow, George Q. Cannon, Joseph F. Smith and Franklin D. Richards; Apostles Brigham Young [Jr.], John Henry Smith, Anthon H. Lund, Matthias F. Cowley, Abraham O[wen]. Woodruff and Rudger Clawson, Elders James Jack and Nephi W. Clayton. The object of the meeting was to consider a proposition made by a gentleman named Henry Altman, who had seen President Snow about procuring an option to last for six months. The question to be considered was whether this option should be given, and if so how much should be asked for the property.
It was stated by Brother Clayton that the interest of the Church in the railroad, the pavilion and the Salt works amounted to about $110,000; that the salt enterprise was paying seven percent, with a reserve fund, but that the railroad and pavilion bonds were not paying anything.
President Smith recited the reasons which had led to the starting of the lake resort. His statement was substantially as follows: At the time the Saltair pavilion was built there were places of recreation beyond the control of the Church authorities, which were drawing away the young people and placing before them all kinds of temptations: originally it was the intention to have no bar-room connected with the pavilion, and to have it closed upon the Sabbath day; but in order to keep afloat financially a bar-room had to be provided, and the most respectable liquor man in the city was engaged to conduct it. Then it was found that Sunday trains had to be run, in order to meet the Gentile demand. The salt business was already in our hands, and it had proved a good enterprise. The speaker thought that if it were decided to retain these properties, the railroad should be extended and thus be made to pay. Personally he was very much averse to selling, especially since competition had been pretty much overcome. The Mormon people were the builders of nearly every railroad in the State, but now they were out of our hands and beyond our control. President Smith, in answer to a question by President Snow, stated that he could not see that we were in any particular danger from competition, unless it might be at some time in the future.
Brother Clayton emphasized the position taken by President Smith, with this exception; that the Oregon Short Line Company might cowork against our interests and compel the Salt Company to ship the salt over their road, but if they were to do this, the Salt Company could bring its salt to this city and take advantage of a competing line; if after this were done, both lines should pool against the Salt Company, it would then have to raise the price of salt. This could be done without fear of successful competition; and in fact the company could raise the price of Salt for its own benefit if it chose to do so.
President Snow stated that he had not expressed himself one way or the other regarding this matter, but he had heard that other brethren had expressed themselves, and he now invited them to put themselves on record.
A discussion ensured, in which most of the brethren present took part. The motives that led to the founding of Saltair were commended, but it was referred to by Brother John Henry Smith as "an overbuilt proposition" and the bar connected with it as "a standing menace" to all who congregated there. The seeming necessity for its existence was deplored by all. In spite of it, however, it was the general opinion that Saltair was the most orderly and best conducted resort in the country. It was wisdom to provide pure and wholesome recreation for the people, and all tendencies to immorality should be restrained. This had been done at Saltair. The bar had even been closed on certain days, when Sunday schools and mutual Improvement Associations patronized the resort, and everything possible had been done to properly regulate the place and keep the atmosphere free from immorality. It was hoped that eventually the bar might be dispensed with and the Church be relieved from the embarrassing position it now occupied of running a pleasure resort and requiring its officials to use an influence to work up patronage for it. The Church had only taken hold of it in order to keep it under Mormon control, and because individual members of the Church could not be trusted to hold it, but would sell it, as they had other home enterprises, to the Gentiles, who had ways of making such things pay, that our brethren were unacquainted with or were unwilling to adopt. All the brethren felt that it was the correct policy to retain possession of the properties named if it were possible.
President Cannon was very emphatic on this point. He believed it to be our duty to hold on to the government of our country in every way possible. The question of profit was secondary with him. This was President [Brigham] Young's doctrine. If these enterprises were not profitable now, he believed that matters would be overruled so as to make them profitable. Referring to the first railroads in Utah, the speaker said that Captain [William H.] Hooper was always advocating the selling of the roads to obtain capital, but he himself opposed this policy, having observed that the men who held the railroads held the key to the situation and dictated terms. He asked what kind of a fix the Saints would be in if they accepted big offers and sold corner lots in the New Jerusalem. He referred to the selling of the Black Rock property by President [John] Taylor as an event that took place while he himself was absent, and after this Brother Clayton and others who had interests on the lake shore had come to the First Presidency for counsel as to selling out, and they had been advised to hold on. The speaker had never regretted being associated with them in carrying out this counsel and holding on to these properties. Even should competition come, he felt that we should struggle against it and overcome it. He denounced the rumors against Saltair as lies, lies circulated by our own people, and compared them to the criticisms passed upon President Young for building the Salt Lake Theatre. Even the Prophet Joseph [Smith] did not escape similar criticism. He would rather have his family go to Saltair than to any other place of amusement that he was acquainted with (Brother Clayton had previously said something to the same effect, remarking that visitors who came there and stayed in their private cars had marveled at the good order that prevailed everywhere about the pavilion). At the same time, President Cannon remarked, he would be adverse to the Church taking hold of such things if individual brethren would do it and not sell out for money, as the Church authorities could then devote themselves to spiritual matters entirely.
President Snow here stated the question to be the selling of the railroad only, it being the understanding that it could be sold without selling the other interests. A formal vote was then taken, and all voted in favor of the retention of the properties.
President Snow said that he agreed with the brethren who had expressed themselves to the effect that when we get hold of a good piece of property that was serviceable to Zion we should not only have what we now possess, but should have the whole earth. The question was, how much should we have and try to get to-day. With regard to holding on to the properties under consideration, the only question with him was, were we able to do it. It had been said that we should run this railroad to the Coast; that was all right, if we were able to do it without overreaching ourselves. The Lord had said it was not right to run into debt, even to build temples. This injunction was applicable to railroads and other enterprises as well, which might be instituted for the benefit of Zion. The Church was heavily in debt; on the 16th of June the sum of $180,000 would have to be paid, if an extension could not be obtained, and there was only about $50,000 to meet it. He did not like this way of doing business, that is, by going into debt, for it placed us in the power of men who might injure us, if they felt so disposed. He believed in holding on, but he did not believe, while holding on like grim death, in getting more and more and getting so much as to be obliged perhaps to let everything go at a sacrifice. His great aim and object was to get the Church out of debt, and being imbued with this feeling he shrank from taking upon himself further responsibilities, unless it was absolutely necessary to do so. In conclusion he reminded the brethren present that having voted to sustain these enterprises, they were now under obligation so [t]o do.
The meeting then dismissed, and at 2:15 P.M. the Presidency and most of the brethren who had been together during the forenoon, went to the lake upon invitation of Brother Clayton. Pres[ident]. [Lorenzo] Snow put into my hands a screde of type printed matter sent him by Pres[iden]t Geo[rge] Q Cannon. I was very sorrowful after reading it for I knew it was not right to attempt to pass over to Pres[ident]. Snow his (Geo[rge]. Q. C[annon's].) dedicated stock of Bullion Beck mine in that manner, it hurt me more than I can tell. Pres[ident]. C[annon]. is as Pres[ident]. S[now]. remarked is off at times. so I leave it with God and my brethren. (2)
Endnotes:
1 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
2 - Journal History; Brigham Young Jr., Diary
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
http://lds-church-history.blogspot.com/
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At 10:15 A.M. a meeting of the First Presidency and the Apostles was held, at which the following named brethren were present: Presidents Lorenzo Snow, George Q. Cannon, Joseph F. Smith and Franklin D. Richards; Apostles Brigham Young [Jr.], John Henry Smith, Anthon H. Lund, Matthias F. Cowley, Abraham O[wen]. Woodruff and Rudger Clawson, Elders James Jack and Nephi W. Clayton. The object of the meeting was to consider a proposition made by a gentleman named Henry Altman, who had seen President Snow about procuring an option to last for six months. The question to be considered was whether this option should be given, and if so how much should be asked for the property.
It was stated by Brother Clayton that the interest of the Church in the railroad, the pavilion and the Salt works amounted to about $110,000; that the salt enterprise was paying seven percent, with a reserve fund, but that the railroad and pavilion bonds were not paying anything.
President Smith recited the reasons which had led to the starting of the lake resort. His statement was substantially as follows: At the time the Saltair pavilion was built there were places of recreation beyond the control of the Church authorities, which were drawing away the young people and placing before them all kinds of temptations: originally it was the intention to have no bar-room connected with the pavilion, and to have it closed upon the Sabbath day; but in order to keep afloat financially a bar-room had to be provided, and the most respectable liquor man in the city was engaged to conduct it. Then it was found that Sunday trains had to be run, in order to meet the Gentile demand. The salt business was already in our hands, and it had proved a good enterprise. The speaker thought that if it were decided to retain these properties, the railroad should be extended and thus be made to pay. Personally he was very much averse to selling, especially since competition had been pretty much overcome. The Mormon people were the builders of nearly every railroad in the State, but now they were out of our hands and beyond our control. President Smith, in answer to a question by President Snow, stated that he could not see that we were in any particular danger from competition, unless it might be at some time in the future.
Brother Clayton emphasized the position taken by President Smith, with this exception; that the Oregon Short Line Company might cowork against our interests and compel the Salt Company to ship the salt over their road, but if they were to do this, the Salt Company could bring its salt to this city and take advantage of a competing line; if after this were done, both lines should pool against the Salt Company, it would then have to raise the price of salt. This could be done without fear of successful competition; and in fact the company could raise the price of Salt for its own benefit if it chose to do so.
President Snow stated that he had not expressed himself one way or the other regarding this matter, but he had heard that
other brethren had expressed themselves, and he now invited them to put themselves on record.
A discussion ensured, in which most of the brethren present took part. The motives that led to the founding of Saltair were commended, but it was referred to by Brother John Henry Smith as "an overbuilt proposition" and the bar connected with it as "a standing menace" to all who congregated there. The seeming necessity for its existence was deplored by all. In spite of it, however, it was the general opinion that Saltair was the most orderly and best conducted resort in the country. It was wisdom to provide pure and wholesome recreation for the people, and all tendencies to immorality should be restrained. This had been done at Saltair. The bar had even been closed on certain days, when Sunday schools and mutual Improvement Associations patronized the resort, and everything possible had been done to properly regulate the place and keep the atmosphere free from immorality. It was hoped that eventually the bar might be dispensed with and the Church be relieved from the embarrassing position it now occupied of running a pleasure resort and requiring its officials to use an influence to work up patronage for it. The Church had only taken hold of it in order to keep it under Mormon control, and because individual members of the Church could not be trusted to hold it, but would sell it, as they had other home enterprises, to the Gentiles, who had ways of making such things pay, that our brethren were unacquainted with or were unwilling to adopt. All the brethren felt that it was the correct policy to retain possession of the properties named if it were possible.
President Cannon was very emphatic on this point. He believed it to be our duty to hold on to the government of our country in every way possible. The question of profit was secondary with him. This was President [Brigham] Young's doctrine. If these enterprises were not profitable now, he believed that matters would be overruled so as to make them profitable. Referring to the first railroads in Utah, the speaker said that Captain [William H.] Hooper was always advocating the selling of the roads to obtain capital, but he himself opposed this policy, having observed that the men who held the railroads held the key to the situation and dictated terms. He asked what kind of a fix the Saints would be in if they accepted big offers and sold corner lots in the New Jerusalem. He referred to the selling of the Black Rock property by President [John] Taylor as an event that took place while he himself was absent, and after this Brother Clayton and others who had interests on the lake shore had come to the First Presidency for counsel as to selling out, and they had been advised to hold on. The speaker had never regretted being associated with them in carrying out this counsel and holding on to these properties. Even should competition come, he felt that we should struggle against it and overcome it. He denounced the rumors against Saltair as lies, lies circulated by our own people, and compared them to the criticisms passed upon President Young for building the Salt Lake Theatre. Even the Prophet Joseph [Smith] did not escape similar criticism. He would rather have his
family go to Saltair than to any other place of amusement that he was acquainted with (Brother Clayton had previously said something to the same effect, remarking that visitors who came there and stayed in their private cars had marveled at the good order that prevailed everywhere about the pavilion). At the same time, President Cannon remarked, he would be adverse to the Church taking hold of such things if individual brethren would do it and not sell out for money, as the Church authorities could then devote themselves to spiritual matters entirely.
President Snow here stated the question to be the selling of the railroad only, it being the understanding that it could be sold without selling the other interests. A formal vote was then taken, and all voted in favor of the retention of the properties.
President Snow said that he agreed with the brethren who had expressed themselves to the effect that when we get hold of a good piece of property that was serviceable to Zion we should not only have what we now possess, but should have the whole earth. The question was, how much should we have and try to get to-day. With regard to holding on to the properties under consideration, the only question with him was, were we able to do it. It had been said that we should run this railroad to the Coast; that was all right, if we were able to do it without overreaching ourselves. The Lord had said it was not right to run into debt, even to build temples. This injunction was applicable to railroads and other enterprises as well, which might be instituted for the benefit of Zion. The Church was heavily in debt; on the 16th of June the sum of $180,000 would have to be paid, if an extension could not be obtained, and there was only about $50,000 to meet it. He did not like this way of doing business, that is, by going into debt, for it placed us in the power of men who might injure us, if they felt so disposed. He believed in holding on, but he did not believe, while holding on like grim death, in getting more and more and getting so much as to be obliged perhaps to let everything go at a sacrifice. His great aim and object was to get the Church out of debt, and being imbued with this feeling he shrank from taking upon himself further responsibilities, unless it was absolutely necessary to do so. In conclusion he reminded the brethren present that having voted to sustain these enterprises, they were now under obligation so [t]o do.
The meeting then dismissed, and at 2:15 P.M. the Presidency and most of the brethren who had been together during the forenoon, went to the lake upon invitation of Brother Clayton. (1)
-- Apr 21, 1899
At 10:15 A.M. a meeting of the First Presidency and the Apostles was held, at which the following named brethren were present: Presidents Lorenzo Snow, George Q. Cannon, Joseph F. Smith and Franklin D. Richards; Apostles Brigham Young [Jr.], John Henry Smith, Anthon H. Lund, Matthias F. Cowley, Abraham O[wen]. Woodruff and Rudger Clawson, Elders James Jack and Nephi W. Clayton. The object of the meeting was to consider a proposition made by a gentleman named Henry Altman, who had seen President Snow about procuring an option to last for six months. The question to be considered was whether this option should be given, and if so how much should be asked for the property.
It was stated by Brother Clayton that the interest of the Church in the railroad, the pavilion and the Salt works amounted to about $110,000; that the salt enterprise was paying seven percent, with a reserve fund, but that the railroad and pavilion bonds were not paying anything.
President Smith recited the reasons which had led to the starting of the lake resort. His statement was substantially as follows: At the time the Saltair pavilion was built there were places of recreation beyond the control of the Church authorities, which were drawing away the young people and placing before them all kinds of temptations: originally it was the intention to have no bar-room connected with the pavilion, and to have it closed upon the Sabbath day; but in order to keep afloat financially a bar-room had to be provided, and the most respectable liquor man in the city was engaged to conduct it. Then it was found that Sunday trains had to be run, in order to meet the Gentile demand. The salt business was already in our hands, and it had proved a good enterprise. The speaker thought that if it were decided to retain these properties, the railroad should be extended and thus be made to pay. Personally he was very much averse to selling, especially since competition had been pretty much overcome. The Mormon people were the builders of nearly every railroad in the State, but now they were out of our hands and beyond our control. President Smith, in answer to a question by President Snow, stated that he could not see that we were in any particular danger from competition, unless it might be at some time in the future.
Brother Clayton emphasized the position taken by President Smith, with this exception; that the Oregon Short Line Company might cowork against our interests and compel the Salt Company to ship the salt over their road, but if they were to do this, the Salt Company could bring its salt to this city and take advantage of a competing line; if after this were done, both lines should pool against the Salt Company, it would then have to raise the price of salt. This could be done without fear of successful competition; and in fact the company could raise the price of Salt for its own benefit if it chose to do so.
President Snow stated that he had not expressed himself one way or the other regarding this matter, but he had heard that other brethren had expressed themselves, and he now invited them to put themselves on record.
A discussion ensured, in which most of the brethren present took part. The motives that led to the founding of Saltair were commended, but it was referred to by Brother John Henry Smith as "an overbuilt proposition" and the bar connected with it as "a standing menace" to all who congregated there. The seeming necessity for its existence was deplored by all. In spite of it, however, it was the general opinion that Saltair was the most orderly and best conducted resort in the country. It was wisdom to provide pure and wholesome recreation for the people, and all tendencies to immorality should be restrained. This had been done at Saltair. The bar had even been closed on certain days, when Sunday schools and mutual Improvement Associations patronized the resort, and everything possible had been done to properly regulate the place and keep the atmosphere free from immorality. It was hoped that eventually the bar might be dispensed with and the Church be relieved from the embarrassing position it now occupied of running a pleasure resort and requiring its officials to use an influence to work up patronage for it. The Church had only taken hold of it in order to keep it under Mormon control, and because individual members of the Church could not be trusted to hold it, but would sell it, as they had other home enterprises, to the Gentiles, who had ways of making such things pay, that our brethren were unacquainted with or were unwilling to adopt. All the brethren felt that it was the correct policy to retain possession of the properties named if it were possible.
President Cannon was very emphatic on this point. He believed it to be our duty to hold on to the government of our country in every way possible. The question of profit was secondary with him. This was President [Brigham] Young's doctrine. If these enterprises were not profitable now, he believed that matters would be overruled so as to make them profitable. Referring to the first railroads in Utah, the speaker said that Captain [William H.] Hooper was always advocating the selling of the roads to obtain capital, but he himself opposed this policy, having observed that the men who held the railroads held the key to the situation and dictated terms. He asked what kind of a fix the Saints would be in if they accepted big offers and sold corner lots in the New Jerusalem. He referred to the selling of the Black Rock property by President [John] Taylor as an event that took place while he himself was absent, and after this Brother Clayton and others who had interests on the lake shore had come to the First Presidency for counsel as to selling out, and they had been advised to hold on. The speaker had never regretted being associated with them in carrying out this counsel and holding on to these properties. Even should competition come, he felt that we should struggle against it and overcome it. He denounced the rumors against Saltair as lies, lies circulated by our own people, and compared them to the criticisms passed upon President Young for building the Salt Lake Theatre. Even the Prophet Joseph [Smith] did not escape similar criticism. He would rather have his family go to Saltair than to any other place of amusement that he was acquainted with (Brother Clayton had previously said something to the same effect, remarking that visitors who came there and stayed in their private cars had marveled at the good order that prevailed everywhere about the pavilion). At the same time, President Cannon remarked, he would be adverse to the Church taking hold of such things if individual brethren would do it and not sell out for money, as the Church authorities could then devote themselves to spiritual matters entirely.
President Snow here stated the question to be the selling of the railroad only, it being the understanding that it could be sold without selling the other interests. A formal vote was then taken, and all voted in favor of the retention of the properties.
President Snow said that he agreed with the brethren who had expressed themselves to the effect that when we get hold of a good piece of property that was serviceable to Zion we should not only have what we now possess, but should have the whole earth. The question was, how much should we have and try to get to-day. With regard to holding on to the properties under consideration, the only question with him was, were we able to do it. It had been said that we should run this railroad to the Coast; that was all right, if we were able to do it without overreaching ourselves. The Lord had said it was not right to run into debt, even to build temples. This injunction was applicable to railroads and other enterprises as well, which might be instituted for the benefit of Zion. The Church was heavily in debt; on the 16th of June the sum of $180,000 would have to be paid, if an extension could not be obtained, and there was only about $50,000 to meet it. He did not like this way of doing business, that is, by going into debt, for it placed us in the power of men who might injure us, if they felt so disposed. He believed in holding on, but he did not believe, while holding on like grim death, in getting more and more and getting so much as to be obliged perhaps to let everything go at a sacrifice. His great aim and object was to get the Church out of debt, and being imbued with this feeling he shrank from taking upon himself further responsibilities, unless it was absolutely necessary to do so. In conclusion he reminded the brethren present that having voted to sustain these enterprises, they were now under obligation so [t]o do.
The meeting then dismissed, and at 2:15 P.M. the Presidency and most of the brethren who had been together during the forenoon, went to the lake upon invitation of Brother Clayton. Pres[ident]. [Lorenzo] Snow put into my hands a screde of type printed matter sent him by Pres[iden]t Geo[rge] Q Cannon. I was very sorrowful after reading it for I knew it was not right to attempt to pass over to Pres[ident]. Snow his (Geo[rge]. Q. C[annon's].) dedicated stock of Bullion Beck mine in that manner, it hurt me more than I can tell. Pres[ident]. C[annon]. is as Pres[ident]. S[now]. remarked is off at times. so I leave it with God and my brethren. (2)
Endnotes:
1 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
2 - Journal History; Brigham Young Jr., Diary
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
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Lorenzo Snow, Apr 20, 1899
-- Apr 20, 1899
Presidents [Lorenzo] Snow, [George Q.] Cannon and [Joseph F.] Smith proceeded from the office to the Temple to meet at 11 A.M. with the Apostles in regular Council.
Present: Presidents Lorenzo Snow, George Q. Cannon, Joseph F. Smith and Franklin D. Richards; Apostles Brigham Young [Jr.], Francis M. Lyman, John Henry Smith, George Teasdale, Anthon H. Lund, Matthias F. Cowley, Abraham O[wen]. Woodruff and Rudger Clawson.
Upon a suggestion quoted by President Smith as having been made by Nathan Tanner, Sen[ior]. during the late general conference, that there should be a reunion of the survivors of Zion's Camp and that their direct descendants should be invited to participate therein, it was decided, after some consideration, that such a reunion be held, but that it also include the survivors of the Mormon Battalion and the original Utah Pioneers. The motion upon which this decision was reached was made by President Smith. The Presiding Bishopric were made the committee to attend to this reunion. President Cannon suggested that where the head of a family was dead, or could not be present, at the reunion, that one representative of each family be invited. It was decided to refer this suggestion to the committee. It was decided that a letter be written to Apostle John W. Taylor, President of the Colorado Mission, in relation to a matter excepted to by Elder Seymour B. Young of the First Council of Seventies. It appears that Brother Taylor has been making High Priests out of Seventies laboring under his jurisdiction, in order to make them competent to preside over conferences. Brother Young's exception is based upon his view that such action in unnecessary. ...
President [Lorenzo] Snow said Church indebtedness is 2,000,000 dol[lars]. How has this been bro[ugh]t. about is a m[y]stery to me. God help us for our enemies are hard upon our track. Everybody is in debt[;] hope we shall soon be out. I don't bel[ie]ve the brethren have run us in debt only to do good. (1)
-- Friday, Apr 21, 1899
[Apostle John Henry Smith Diary] Salt Lake City
I was at President Snow's office most of the day.
All of the first Presidency, Franklin D. Richards, Myself, Brigham Young, Anthon H. Lurid, Matthias F. Cowley, Abraham O. Woodruff, and Rudger Clawson, James Jack and Nephi Clayton met and considered the subject of selling the Beach Railroad and Salt Works. We voted to keep the property. (2)
Endnotes:
1 - Journal History; Brigham Young Jr., Diary
2 - Jean Bickmore White (editor), Church, State, and Politics: The Diaries of John Henry Smith, Signature Books in association with Smith Research Associates, Salt Lake City, 1990, http://bit.ly/johnhenrysmith
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
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Presidents [Lorenzo] Snow, [George Q.] Cannon and [Joseph F.] Smith proceeded from the office to the Temple to meet at 11 A.M. with the Apostles in regular Council.
Present: Presidents Lorenzo Snow, George Q. Cannon, Joseph F. Smith and Franklin D. Richards; Apostles Brigham Young [Jr.], Francis M. Lyman, John Henry Smith, George Teasdale, Anthon H. Lund, Matthias F. Cowley, Abraham O[wen]. Woodruff and Rudger Clawson.
Upon a suggestion quoted by President Smith as having been made by Nathan Tanner, Sen[ior]. during the late general conference, that there should be a reunion of the survivors of Zion's Camp and that their direct descendants should be invited to participate therein, it was decided, after some consideration, that such a reunion be held, but that it also include the survivors of the Mormon Battalion and the original Utah Pioneers. The motion upon which this decision was reached was made by President Smith. The Presiding Bishopric were made the committee to attend to this reunion. President Cannon suggested that where the head of a family was dead, or could not be present, at the reunion, that one representative of each family be invited. It was decided to refer this suggestion to the committee. It was decided that a letter be written to Apostle John W. Taylor, President of the Colorado Mission, in relation to a matter excepted to by Elder Seymour B. Young of the First Council of Seventies. It appears that Brother Taylor has been making High Priests out of Seventies laboring under his jurisdiction, in order to make them competent to preside over conferences. Brother Young's exception is based upon his view that such action in unnecessary. ...
President [Lorenzo] Snow said Church indebtedness is 2,000,000 dol[lars]. How has this been bro[ugh]t. about is a m[y]stery to me. God help us for our enemies are hard upon our track. Everybody is in debt[;] hope we shall soon be out. I don't bel[ie]ve the brethren have run us in debt only to do good. (1)
-- Friday, Apr 21, 1899
[Apostle John Henry Smith Diary] Salt Lake City
I was at President Snow's office most of the day.
All of the first Presidency, Franklin D. Richards, Myself, Brigham Young, Anthon H. Lurid, Matthias F. Cowley, Abraham O. Woodruff, and Rudger Clawson, James Jack and Nephi Clayton met and considered the subject of selling the Beach Railroad and Salt Works. We voted to keep the property. (2)
Endnotes:
1 - Journal History; Brigham Young Jr., Diary
2 - Jean Bickmore White (editor), Church, State, and Politics: The Diaries of John Henry Smith, Signature Books in association with Smith Research Associates, Salt Lake City, 1990, http://bit.ly/johnhenrysmith
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
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Lorenzo Snow, Apr 19, 1899; Wednesday
-- Apr 19, 1899; Wednesday
Presidents [Lorenzo] Snow, [George Q.] Cannon and [Joseph F.] Smith were at the Office. Elder Seymour B. Young, the senior President in the First Council of Seventies, called and saw President Snow about the matter of Elder Joseph W. McMurrin's ordination as one of that body, the subject so exhaustively considered at the last meeting of the Apostolic Council. Brother Young wanted to know if Brother McMurrin had been actually and properly ordained, since the word "ordain" was not used, but the words "set apart" at the time of his ordination. President Snow explained to Brother Young that inasmuch as the intent was to ordain Brother McMurrin, and the word used on the occasion not only set him apart, but conferred upon him all the authority, keys and privileges of the office and calling, it was a complete and valid ordination, and had been so decided by the Presidency and the Apostles in council. At the same time President Snow remarked that if it had to be done over again, his mind would be that the word ordain should be used. (1)
-- Apr 19, 1899
Elder Roberts also reported that during the week he had called upon President Lorenzo Snow, and had an interview with him concerning his work for the future, and had stated to the President that he would not need to draw the allowance now being made to him by the Church. He submitted to the President the question of being relieved somewhat from so many appointments, and the President had stated that, on account of his political duties, Elder Roberts might be excused from religious appointments whenever he found it necessary, and that he might make this statement to the First Council of Seventies. Brother Roberts also stated that he would be relieved as Editor of the Era after the issue of the June number. (2)
-- Apr 20, 1899; Thursday
Presidents [Lorenzo] Snow, [George Q.] Cannon and [Joseph F.] Smith proceeded from the office to the Temple to meet at 11 A.M. with the Apostles in regular Council.
Present: Presidents Lorenzo Snow, George Q. Cannon, Joseph F. Smith and Franklin D. Richards; Apostles Brigham Young [Jr.], Francis M. Lyman, John Henry Smith, George Teasdale, Anthon H. Lund, Matthias F. Cowley, Abraham O[wen]. Woodruff and Rudger Clawson.
Upon a suggestion quoted by President Smith as having been made by Nathan Tanner, Sen[ior]. during the late general conference, that there should be a reunion of the survivors of Zion's Camp and that their direct descendants should be invited to participate therein, it was decided, after some consideration, that such a reunion be held, but that it also include the survivors of the Mormon Battalion and the original Utah Pioneers. The motion upon which this decision was reached was made by President Smith. The Presiding Bishopric were made the committee to attend to this reunion. President Cannon suggested that where the head of a family was dead, or could not be present, at the reunion, that one representative of each family be invited. It was decided to refer this suggestion to the committee.
It was decided that a letter be written to Apostle John W. Taylor, President of the Colorado Mission, in relation to a matter excepted to by Elder Seymour B. Young of the First Council of Seventies. It appears that Brother Taylor has been making High Priests out of Seventies laboring under his jurisdiction, in order to make them competent to preside over conferences. Brother Young's exception is based upon his view that such action in unnecessary. ... (1)
Endnotes:
1 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
2 - Minutes, Quorum of Twelve
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
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Presidents [Lorenzo] Snow, [George Q.] Cannon and [Joseph F.] Smith were at the Office. Elder Seymour B. Young, the senior President in the First Council of Seventies, called and saw President Snow about the matter of Elder Joseph W. McMurrin's ordination as one of that body, the subject so exhaustively considered at the last meeting of the Apostolic Council. Brother Young wanted to know if Brother McMurrin had been actually and properly ordained, since the word "ordain" was not used, but the words "set apart" at the time of his ordination. President Snow explained to Brother Young that inasmuch as the intent was to ordain Brother McMurrin, and the word used on the occasion not only set him apart, but conferred upon him all the authority, keys and privileges of the office and calling, it was a complete and valid ordination, and had been so decided by the Presidency and the Apostles in council. At the same time President Snow remarked that if it had to be done over again, his mind would be that the word ordain should be used. (1)
-- Apr 19, 1899
Elder Roberts also reported that during the week he had called upon President Lorenzo Snow, and had an interview with him concerning his work for the future, and had stated to the President that he would not need to draw the allowance now being made to him by the Church. He submitted to the President the question of being relieved somewhat from so many appointments, and the President had stated that, on account of his political duties, Elder Roberts might be excused from religious appointments whenever he found it necessary, and that he might make this statement to the First Council of Seventies. Brother Roberts also stated that he would be relieved as Editor of the Era after the issue of the June number. (2)
-- Apr 20, 1899; Thursday
Presidents [Lorenzo] Snow, [George Q.] Cannon and [Joseph F.] Smith proceeded from the office to the Temple to meet at 11 A.M. with the Apostles in regular Council.
Present: Presidents Lorenzo Snow, George Q. Cannon, Joseph F. Smith and Franklin D. Richards; Apostles Brigham Young [Jr.], Francis M. Lyman, John Henry Smith, George Teasdale, Anthon H. Lund, Matthias F. Cowley, Abraham O[wen]. Woodruff and Rudger Clawson.
Upon a suggestion quoted by President Smith as having been made by Nathan Tanner, Sen[ior]. during the late general conference, that there should be a reunion of the survivors of Zion's Camp and that their direct descendants should be invited to participate therein, it was decided, after some consideration, that such a reunion be held, but that it also include the survivors of the Mormon Battalion and the original Utah Pioneers. The motion upon which this decision was reached was made by President Smith. The Presiding Bishopric were made the committee to attend to this reunion. President Cannon suggested that where the head of a family was dead, or could not be present, at the reunion, that one representative of each family be invited. It was decided to refer this suggestion to the committee.
It was decided that a letter be written to Apostle John W. Taylor, President of the Colorado Mission, in relation to a matter excepted to by Elder Seymour B. Young of the First Council of Seventies. It appears that Brother Taylor has been making High Priests out of Seventies laboring under his jurisdiction, in order to make them competent to preside over conferences. Brother Young's exception is based upon his view that such action in unnecessary. ... (1)
Endnotes:
1 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
2 - Minutes, Quorum of Twelve
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
http://lds-church-history.blogspot.com/
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Lorenzo Snow, Apr 19, 1899
-- Apr 19, 1899
[Apostle Heber J. Grant Diary] From 2 p.m. till 5 p.m. I was in a meeting where all the presidency several of the apostles and brother John M. and Geo. M. Cannon, President Orson Smith, N.W. Clayton, Jerry Langford Asahel Woodruff and others were present. A General discussion of the affairs of the Stirling Mining Co. was indulged in and President Snow finally agreed to assume a note of One hundred and odd thousand dollars due the Zions Savings Bank and Trust Co., signed by the Stirling Mining Co. and indorsed [sic] by Wilford Woodruff, George Q. Cannon and Joseph F. Smith. Presidents Cannon and Smith and Asahel Woodruff all testified that although the indorsement was a personal one it was made on behalf of the first presidency and not as individuals. The loss to the church on account of the Stirling mining Co. will be between 3 and 4 hundred thousand dollars. In my heart of hearts I cannot help but feel that in as much as this buinsess [sic] was originally a personal one and turned out a failure that President George Q. Cannon who has been wonderfully successful in other mining ventures should at least make good one sixth of the loss sustained by the Church. as his original interest in the Stirling Mine was one sixth. I would feel just the same as this refaridng [sic] able to reimburse the Church, but I think it would be a great hardship to ask them to do so under their present finincal [sic] circumstances. Brother Orson Smith remarked that if he were able he would consider it his duty to pay one sixth of the Stirling mine losses. (1)
-- Wednesday, Apr 19, 1899
[Apostle John Henry Smith Diary] Salt Lake City
Heber J. Grant, W. Madsen, Chas. S. Burton, Geo. T. Odell and myself met and agreed to pay Zions Savings bank and Trust Co. $2,200.00 each on a Grant Bros. Livery note. Hyrum & Joshua Grant, Wm. H. Rowe, and Elias W. Smith to pay or give their notes for $1,450.00 each.
The Sterling Mining co. board of Directors, Lorenzo Snow, Franklin D. Richards, Myself, Heber J. Grant, and Rudger Clawson considered a debt owing to the Zions Savings Bank and Trust Co. by the Sterling mining Co. and endorsed by Wilford Woodruff, Geo. Q. Cannon, and Joseph F. Smlith. After hearing all of the facts to be reached, President Lorenzo Snow decided to accept and pay one note and interest amounting to $107,000,00.
I went with President Joseph F. Smith to the Theatre.
President Lorenzo Snow read Prest. Geo. Q. Cannon's settlement of the Bullion Beck & Champion M. Co. dedicated stock matter to Joseph F. Smith, Francis M. Lyman and myself. He had read it to me before. I advised him to accept it. (2)
Endnotes:
1 - Diary of Heber J. Grant, http://amzn.to/newmormonstudies
2 - Jean Bickmore White (editor), Church, State, and Politics: The Diaries of John Henry Smith, Signature Books in association with Smith Research Associates, Salt Lake City, 1990, http://bit.ly/johnhenrysmith
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[Apostle Heber J. Grant Diary] From 2 p.m. till 5 p.m. I was in a meeting where all the presidency several of the apostles and brother John M. and Geo. M. Cannon, President Orson Smith, N.W. Clayton, Jerry Langford Asahel Woodruff and others were present. A General discussion of the affairs of the Stirling Mining Co. was indulged in and President Snow finally agreed to assume a note of One hundred and odd thousand dollars due the Zions Savings Bank and Trust Co., signed by the Stirling Mining Co. and indorsed [sic] by Wilford Woodruff, George Q. Cannon and Joseph F. Smith. Presidents Cannon and Smith and Asahel Woodruff all testified that although the indorsement was a personal one it was made on behalf of the first presidency and not as individuals. The loss to the church on account of the Stirling mining Co. will be between 3 and 4 hundred thousand dollars. In my heart of hearts I cannot help but feel that in as much as this buinsess [sic] was originally a personal one and turned out a failure that President George Q. Cannon who has been wonderfully successful in other mining ventures should at least make good one sixth of the loss sustained by the Church. as his original interest in the Stirling Mine was one sixth. I would feel just the same as this refaridng [sic] able to reimburse the Church, but I think it would be a great hardship to ask them to do so under their present finincal [sic] circumstances. Brother Orson Smith remarked that if he were able he would consider it his duty to pay one sixth of the Stirling mine losses. (1)
-- Wednesday, Apr 19, 1899
[Apostle John Henry Smith Diary] Salt Lake City
Heber J. Grant, W. Madsen, Chas. S. Burton, Geo. T. Odell and myself met and agreed to pay Zions Savings bank and Trust Co. $2,200.00 each on a Grant Bros. Livery note. Hyrum & Joshua Grant, Wm. H. Rowe, and Elias W. Smith to pay or give their notes for $1,450.00 each.
The Sterling Mining co. board of Directors, Lorenzo Snow, Franklin D. Richards, Myself, Heber J. Grant, and Rudger Clawson considered a debt owing to the Zions Savings Bank and Trust Co. by the Sterling mining Co. and endorsed by Wilford Woodruff, Geo. Q. Cannon, and Joseph F. Smlith. After hearing all of the facts to be reached, President Lorenzo Snow decided to accept and pay one note and interest amounting to $107,000,00.
I went with President Joseph F. Smith to the Theatre.
President Lorenzo Snow read Prest. Geo. Q. Cannon's settlement of the Bullion Beck & Champion M. Co. dedicated stock matter to Joseph F. Smith, Francis M. Lyman and myself. He had read it to me before. I advised him to accept it. (2)
Endnotes:
1 - Diary of Heber J. Grant, http://amzn.to/newmormonstudies
2 - Jean Bickmore White (editor), Church, State, and Politics: The Diaries of John Henry Smith, Signature Books in association with Smith Research Associates, Salt Lake City, 1990, http://bit.ly/johnhenrysmith
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Lorenzo Snow, Apr 14, 1899; Friday
-- Apr 14, 1899; Friday
I was part of the day at President Lorenzo Snow office. He showed me a proposition that President Geo[rge] Q Cannon had made him in regard to the amount held by himself of the Pledged stock of the Bullion Beck Co[mpany]. fund. I told him I would accept the offer made by President Cannon in settlement. (1)
Endnotes:
1 - John Henry Smith, Diary
2 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
3 - Journal History
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I was part of the day at President Lorenzo Snow office. He showed me a proposition that President Geo[rge] Q Cannon had made him in regard to the amount held by himself of the Pledged stock of the Bullion Beck Co[mpany]. fund. I told him I would accept the offer made by President Cannon in settlement. (1)
Endnotes:
1 - John Henry Smith, Diary
2 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
3 - Journal History
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Lorenzo Snow, Apr 14, 1899; Friday
-- Apr 14, 1899; Friday
Presidents [Lorenzo] Snow and [George Q.] Cannon were at the Office; President [Joseph F.] Smith was in Logan [Utah], attending a meeting of the Trustees of the Brigham Young College ....
President Cannon had a long interview with President Snow in the presence of Apostle Rudger Clawson. The interview was strictly private, and resulted in the turning over to President Snow by President Cannon of what is known as the dedicated stock in the
Bullion-Beck Mine. ... (1)
Endnotes:
1 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
2 - John Henry Smith, Diary
3 - Journal History
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
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Presidents [Lorenzo] Snow and [George Q.] Cannon were at the Office; President [Joseph F.] Smith was in Logan [Utah], attending a meeting of the Trustees of the Brigham Young College ....
President Cannon had a long interview with President Snow in the presence of Apostle Rudger Clawson. The interview was strictly private, and resulted in the turning over to President Snow by President Cannon of what is known as the dedicated stock in the
Bullion-Beck Mine. ... (1)
Endnotes:
1 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
2 - John Henry Smith, Diary
3 - Journal History
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
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Lorenzo Snow, Thursday, Apr 13, 1899
-- Thursday, Apr 13, 1899
[Apostle Rudger Clawson Diary] ...Apostle A. H. Lund stated that while in England, he received a cable-gram from the First Presidency instructing him to set apart Jos. W. McMurrin as one of the First Seven Presidents of Seventies, but in doing so he used the words "set you apart" instead of the words "ordain you" and yet, he said, he conferred upon him in so many words all the keys, powers, and authority pertaining to said office. He now referred the matter to the brethren because some people had called the ordination into question, claiming it was illegal.
Pres. Geo. Q. Cannon's view was that it would have been better to use the word "ordain," but inasmuch as gifts, keys, and powers were conferred the ordination should stand. Pres. Lorenzo Snow took the same view and said the matter ought not to be called into question, although in this instance he would have preferred the word "ordain." Pres. Richards moved that the action of Bro. Lund in using the words "set apart" be sustained. Carried by unanimous vote. Pres. Snow, again referring to the subject and speaking of the words "set apart" and "ordain," said that that which is of the most importance is to convey or confirm upon the individual the keys, power, and authority pertaining to the office. ... (1)
-- Apr 13, 1899; Thursday
The First Presidency, shortly before 11 A.M., proceeded from the Office to the Temple, to meet with the Apostles in regular council.
Present: Presidents Lorenzo Snow, George Q. Cannon, Joseph F. Smith and Franklin D. Richards; Apostles Brigham Young [Jr.], John Henry Smith, George Teasdale, Heber J. Grant, Anthon H. Lund, Abraham O[wen]. Woodruff, Matthias F. Cowley and Rudger Clawson. Absent: Apostle Francis M. Lyman, in Tooele [Utah], and Apostles Marriner W[ood]. Merrill and John W. Taylor, engaged elsewhere. ...
A question as to the proper use of the terms "ordain" and "set apart" came up and was discussed at length, the main speakers being Presidents Snow, Cannon and Smith, Apostles Richards, Lund, Smith, Woodruff and Clawson. The question was sprung by Brother Lund, who stated that on his arrival from Liverpool [England], homeward bound from Palestine, he received a message by cable, requesting and authorizing him to ordain Joseph W. Mcmurrin as one of the First Presidents of Seventies. He attended to the matter, but in the ordination the word "ordain" was not used, though the words "set apart" were, and all the rights, privileges and powers pertaining to that office were conferred upon Brother McMurrin. He had since learned that it was held, especially by the Seventies, that their presiding officers should be ordained, and some of them had queries in their minds as to whether or not this had been done in the case of Brother McMurrin. The latter being already a Seventy, at the time of his call to be one of the Presidents over the Seventies, the thought had passed through the mind of Brother Lund that it was not necessary to ordain him to preside, and he had therefore used the words "set apart" instead of "ordain". He had since looked up the definition of the word ordain, and found that one of its definitions was "to set apart". He had concluded in his own mind that it was really not necessary to reordain Brother McMurrin, but he desired the mind of the Council upon the matter.
President Snow having asked the brethren to express their views upon the question, President Cannon referred to a remark which had been made to the effect that in organizing the Presidency of a Deacon's quorum the Presidents were not ordained but set apart to preside. He then said that in his opinion the case of a President of a Deacon's quorum and that of one of the First Presidents of Seventies were not parallel, for the reason that the latter was a prominent office and the other was not. He thought there was a difference between ordaining and setting apart, and that a President of Seventies, like Brother McMurrin, should be ordained to that office. According to all the views heretofore entertained, if such a thing should occur as the breaking up of the Quorum of the First Presidency and that of the Apostles, the authority of this Church would rest on the First Seven Presidents of Seventies, and no doubt they would proceed to organize the Church. Therefore, while the word ordain meant setting apart, there was a distinction in our minds between the two proceedings. The ordaining of a man seemed to confer a more definite authority than the setting apart. Moses Thatcher had held that in the case of a Bishop all that was necessary was the setting apart, but from this view the speaker dissented. In the matter referred to by Brother Lund, President Cannon thought it would be unfortunate for Brother McMurrin's ordination to be questioned, as men upon whom the latter had laid his hands might question the legality of their ordination. President Cannon said that as Brother Lund's intent was to ordain Brother McMurrin and confer upon him all the keys of the office in question, it ought to cover the case and his ordination should therefore not be
questioned.
President Snow said that President Cannon had expressed his views exactly, although, after conversing with Brother Lund upon the subject, he had thought it better to bring up the matter before the council. He favored the use of the word ordain in Brother McMurrin's case, but at the same time he held that the conferring of all the rights, keys and powers of the office was equivalent to an ordination, and the term used really embodied all the meaning that the word ordain could convey. He thought that it would be very unwise to question the ordination.
President Richards moved that it be the sense of the Council that the action taken with Bro[ther]. McMurrin as to the office named was a competent act and that there should be no revision of it. The motion was seconded and carried.
President Cannon further remarked that when a man holds a Priesthood and he is called to labor within that Priesthood to preside, the words "set apart" should be used, but the office of President of Seventies being a prominent office the Word "ordain" should be used.
President Smith: The Presidency of the Church is a prominent office, but the First Presidency are not ordained.
President Cannon: They are already Apostles, and no new power is conferred upon them by reason of their calling to act in the Presidency.
President Smith thought that the words "set apart" used in the case of a President of Seventies were just as proper and appropriate as in the case of the Presidency of the Church, or in that of a Stake President, since it conferred no higher Priesthood upon either of them to call them to act in the Presidency of these several organizations.
President Cannon rejoined that he would not feel satisfied, if called to act as a President of Seventies unless the word "ordain" were used; that is, if it were intentionally omitted and the words "set apart" substituted; but if other brethren felt to use the words set apart instead of the word "ordain", he would not question their right to so express themselves. Yet if he were the subject for ordination, and Brother Lund, after this consideration of the question, were to ordain him and use the words "set apart" instead of "ordain", he would not feel satisfied with his action.
President Snow remarked that he would not feel satisfied either.
President Richards stated that the Josephites asked the question, by way of criticism, if Brigham Young was ordained to preside, holding that all such officers should be ordained.
President Cannon referred to the revelation providing for the Presidency of the Church, in which revelation the words "appointed and ordained" are used. He then said that in speaking to President Young, after he had selected additional counselors, he asked him if he was going to set them apart. The President answered No, that their priesthood, the Apostleship, entitled them to officiate without further action.
Brother Woodruff here remarked that there was an
understanding among the people that the word "ordain" should be used in all prominent offices, and the words "set apart" in case of temporary callings.
President Snow put this question: "Suppose a man were ordained an Elder in the following manner, `I appoint you to be an Elder, and confer upon you all the rights and keys of this office and calling in the Melchizedek Priesthood, etc.'; and this language were used with the intent of ordaining him an Elder. I hold that such a man would be in every sense of the word ordained."
President Cannon stated that he was told by the late Apostle Parley P. Pratt that the first Elders of the Church, in confirming new members, laid their hands upon them and confirmed them, but that the language was not spoken audibly, and that the prophet Joseph told them they had better speak audibly. But the people received the Holy Ghost all the same.
President Smith asked if the use of the word "ordain" should be confined to the First Seven Presidents of Seventies. A high Priest, he said, was called to preside over a Stake, but the word "ordain" as not used in setting him apart.
President Snow replied that he did not care particularly whether the word "ordain" were used or not, so long as other words were used bestowing all the rights, keys and powers of the office intended to be bestowed upon the person. Such language, with the intent, would in the judgement of the President be all sufficient.
President Smith remarked that this expressed his feelings exactly, and he further said that he was heartily in accord with the action taken upon the matter of the ordination of Brother McMurrin by Brother Lund. He did not believe it would be right to question that ordination. Brother Lund was an Apostle, and was authorized to ordain or set apart Brother McMurrin, and his intent was all right before the Lord, Even if he did not use all the words that some one else would have used, the act was just as acceptable before the Lord, and his mind was that no one should be permitted to call in question Brother McMurrin's ordination. This, he understood to be the substance of the action taken. He believed that the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. He did not favor a uniform ceremony any more than he favored a uniform suit of clothes for missionaries, so long as the language used in ordaining was that prescribed by revelation. In the sacramental prayer and in the form of baptism the Church had a definite guide, but he did not think, even if we failed to confine ourselves strictly to those prescribed forms, that it would vitiate our actions, if the intent was pure; as the authority and intent would govern in such cases; still it would be better to be exact in all such cases. Referring to the Lord's prayer, President Smith said that he did not believe for a moment that it was the intention of the Savior to have the Apostles always using that exact form of prayer; but the object evidently was to impress upon them the need of simplicity and directness in presenting their petitions to the Father. Where this was done, and the dictates of the Spirit faithfully followed, all would be acceptable before the Lord. The
"Josephites" had compiled a book of rules, and the result was that they were all the time quarreling as to how things should be done. Referring to the ceremonies of the various sectarian churches, the speaker said he believed they were all of the devil. He regarded the man of authority as the constitution, and whatever he did by the promptings of the Holy Spirit would be acceptable to the Lord.
Brother John Henry Smith held in the main with President Smith, but it seemed to him that if the Church was to be run by the operation of the Spirit upon the Elders, or rather by what some of the Elders deem operations of the Spirit, the result would be a grand conglomeration of various views. He then went on to say that it was already understood that a Bishop should be ordained; this being so, why not determine which of the officers of the Church should be ordained, and which set apart, defining the distinctions between them. He held that if the Apostles were not united in such matters, confusion must result. Speaking of the ceremony of baptism, he said that it had gone out that the words "forgiveness of your sins" should be added to the ceremony, as published in the Doctrine and Covenants, but that had since been corrected. The speaker held that uniform views on all such subjects should exist in this council.
Brother Lund remarked that if Presidents of Stakes and all officers having special callings were ordained, the sacredness of the word "ordain" would be lost. It was only as to the Presidents of Seventies that the use of this word had been called in question, or rather the omission of it, and he did not think that any difficulty would arise from the present understanding.
President Snow expressed the belief that no further light would be obtained by discussing the question any longer at the present time, and remarked that if the Council preferred the First Presidency to further consider the matter, it would be done.
Brother Clawson moved that this be the sense of the meeting, and the motion was seconded and carried. ... (2)
Endnotes:
1 - Stan Larson (editor), A Ministry of Meetings: The Apostolic diaries of Rudger Clawson, Signature Books in association with Smith Research Associates, Salt Lake City, 1993, http://bit.ly/rudgerclawson
2 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
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[Apostle Rudger Clawson Diary] ...Apostle A. H. Lund stated that while in England, he received a cable-gram from the First Presidency instructing him to set apart Jos. W. McMurrin as one of the First Seven Presidents of Seventies, but in doing so he used the words "set you apart" instead of the words "ordain you" and yet, he said, he conferred upon him in so many words all the keys, powers, and authority pertaining to said office. He now referred the matter to the brethren because some people had called the ordination into question, claiming it was illegal.
Pres. Geo. Q. Cannon's view was that it would have been better to use the word "ordain," but inasmuch as gifts, keys, and powers were conferred the ordination should stand. Pres. Lorenzo Snow took the same view and said the matter ought not to be called into question, although in this instance he would have preferred the word "ordain." Pres. Richards moved that the action of Bro. Lund in using the words "set apart" be sustained. Carried by unanimous vote. Pres. Snow, again referring to the subject and speaking of the words "set apart" and "ordain," said that that which is of the most importance is to convey or confirm upon the individual the keys, power, and authority pertaining to the office. ... (1)
-- Apr 13, 1899; Thursday
The First Presidency, shortly before 11 A.M., proceeded from the Office to the Temple, to meet with the Apostles in regular council.
Present: Presidents Lorenzo Snow, George Q. Cannon, Joseph F. Smith and Franklin D. Richards; Apostles Brigham Young [Jr.], John Henry Smith, George Teasdale, Heber J. Grant, Anthon H. Lund, Abraham O[wen]. Woodruff, Matthias F. Cowley and Rudger Clawson. Absent: Apostle Francis M. Lyman, in Tooele [Utah], and Apostles Marriner W[ood]. Merrill and John W. Taylor, engaged elsewhere. ...
A question as to the proper use of the terms "ordain" and "set apart" came up and was discussed at length, the main speakers being Presidents Snow, Cannon and Smith, Apostles Richards, Lund, Smith, Woodruff and Clawson. The question was sprung by Brother Lund, who stated that on his arrival from Liverpool [England], homeward bound from Palestine, he received a message by cable, requesting and authorizing him to ordain Joseph W. Mcmurrin as one of the First Presidents of Seventies. He attended to the matter, but in the ordination the word "ordain" was not used, though the words "set apart" were, and all the rights, privileges and powers pertaining to that office were conferred upon Brother McMurrin. He had since learned that it was held, especially by the Seventies, that their presiding officers should be ordained, and some of them had queries in their minds as to whether or not this had been done in the case of Brother McMurrin. The latter being already a Seventy, at the time of his call to be one of the Presidents over the Seventies, the thought had passed through the mind of Brother Lund that it was not necessary to ordain him to preside, and he had therefore used the words "set apart" instead of "ordain". He had since looked up the definition of the word ordain, and found that one of its definitions was "to set apart". He had concluded in his own mind that it was really not necessary to reordain Brother McMurrin, but he desired the mind of the Council upon the matter.
President Snow having asked the brethren to express their views upon the question, President Cannon referred to a remark which had been made to the effect that in organizing the Presidency of a Deacon's quorum the Presidents were not ordained but set apart to preside. He then said that in his opinion the case of a President of a Deacon's quorum and that of one of the First Presidents of Seventies were not parallel, for the reason that the latter was a prominent office and the other was not. He thought there was a difference between ordaining and setting apart, and that a President of Seventies, like Brother McMurrin, should be ordained to that office. According to all the views heretofore entertained, if such a thing should occur as the breaking up of the Quorum of the First Presidency and that of the Apostles, the authority of this Church would rest on the First Seven Presidents of Seventies, and no doubt they would proceed to organize the Church. Therefore, while the word ordain meant setting apart, there was a distinction in our minds between the two proceedings. The ordaining of a man seemed to confer a more definite authority than the setting apart. Moses Thatcher had held that in the case of a Bishop all that was necessary was the setting apart, but from this view the speaker dissented. In the matter referred to by Brother Lund, President Cannon thought it would be unfortunate for Brother McMurrin's ordination to be questioned, as men upon whom the latter had laid his hands might question the legality of their ordination. President Cannon said that as Brother Lund's intent was to ordain Brother McMurrin and confer upon him all the keys of the office in question, it ought to cover the case and his ordination should therefore not be
questioned.
President Snow said that President Cannon had expressed his views exactly, although, after conversing with Brother Lund upon the subject, he had thought it better to bring up the matter before the council. He favored the use of the word ordain in Brother McMurrin's case, but at the same time he held that the conferring of all the rights, keys and powers of the office was equivalent to an ordination, and the term used really embodied all the meaning that the word ordain could convey. He thought that it would be very unwise to question the ordination.
President Richards moved that it be the sense of the Council that the action taken with Bro[ther]. McMurrin as to the office named was a competent act and that there should be no revision of it. The motion was seconded and carried.
President Cannon further remarked that when a man holds a Priesthood and he is called to labor within that Priesthood to preside, the words "set apart" should be used, but the office of President of Seventies being a prominent office the Word "ordain" should be used.
President Smith: The Presidency of the Church is a prominent office, but the First Presidency are not ordained.
President Cannon: They are already Apostles, and no new power is conferred upon them by reason of their calling to act in the Presidency.
President Smith thought that the words "set apart" used in the case of a President of Seventies were just as proper and appropriate as in the case of the Presidency of the Church, or in that of a Stake President, since it conferred no higher Priesthood upon either of them to call them to act in the Presidency of these several organizations.
President Cannon rejoined that he would not feel satisfied, if called to act as a President of Seventies unless the word "ordain" were used; that is, if it were intentionally omitted and the words "set apart" substituted; but if other brethren felt to use the words set apart instead of the word "ordain", he would not question their right to so express themselves. Yet if he were the subject for ordination, and Brother Lund, after this consideration of the question, were to ordain him and use the words "set apart" instead of "ordain", he would not feel satisfied with his action.
President Snow remarked that he would not feel satisfied either.
President Richards stated that the Josephites asked the question, by way of criticism, if Brigham Young was ordained to preside, holding that all such officers should be ordained.
President Cannon referred to the revelation providing for the Presidency of the Church, in which revelation the words "appointed and ordained" are used. He then said that in speaking to President Young, after he had selected additional counselors, he asked him if he was going to set them apart. The President answered No, that their priesthood, the Apostleship, entitled them to officiate without further action.
Brother Woodruff here remarked that there was an
understanding among the people that the word "ordain" should be used in all prominent offices, and the words "set apart" in case of temporary callings.
President Snow put this question: "Suppose a man were ordained an Elder in the following manner, `I appoint you to be an Elder, and confer upon you all the rights and keys of this office and calling in the Melchizedek Priesthood, etc.'; and this language were used with the intent of ordaining him an Elder. I hold that such a man would be in every sense of the word ordained."
President Cannon stated that he was told by the late Apostle Parley P. Pratt that the first Elders of the Church, in confirming new members, laid their hands upon them and confirmed them, but that the language was not spoken audibly, and that the prophet Joseph told them they had better speak audibly. But the people received the Holy Ghost all the same.
President Smith asked if the use of the word "ordain" should be confined to the First Seven Presidents of Seventies. A high Priest, he said, was called to preside over a Stake, but the word "ordain" as not used in setting him apart.
President Snow replied that he did not care particularly whether the word "ordain" were used or not, so long as other words were used bestowing all the rights, keys and powers of the office intended to be bestowed upon the person. Such language, with the intent, would in the judgement of the President be all sufficient.
President Smith remarked that this expressed his feelings exactly, and he further said that he was heartily in accord with the action taken upon the matter of the ordination of Brother McMurrin by Brother Lund. He did not believe it would be right to question that ordination. Brother Lund was an Apostle, and was authorized to ordain or set apart Brother McMurrin, and his intent was all right before the Lord, Even if he did not use all the words that some one else would have used, the act was just as acceptable before the Lord, and his mind was that no one should be permitted to call in question Brother McMurrin's ordination. This, he understood to be the substance of the action taken. He believed that the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. He did not favor a uniform ceremony any more than he favored a uniform suit of clothes for missionaries, so long as the language used in ordaining was that prescribed by revelation. In the sacramental prayer and in the form of baptism the Church had a definite guide, but he did not think, even if we failed to confine ourselves strictly to those prescribed forms, that it would vitiate our actions, if the intent was pure; as the authority and intent would govern in such cases; still it would be better to be exact in all such cases. Referring to the Lord's prayer, President Smith said that he did not believe for a moment that it was the intention of the Savior to have the Apostles always using that exact form of prayer; but the object evidently was to impress upon them the need of simplicity and directness in presenting their petitions to the Father. Where this was done, and the dictates of the Spirit faithfully followed, all would be acceptable before the Lord. The
"Josephites" had compiled a book of rules, and the result was that they were all the time quarreling as to how things should be done. Referring to the ceremonies of the various sectarian churches, the speaker said he believed they were all of the devil. He regarded the man of authority as the constitution, and whatever he did by the promptings of the Holy Spirit would be acceptable to the Lord.
Brother John Henry Smith held in the main with President Smith, but it seemed to him that if the Church was to be run by the operation of the Spirit upon the Elders, or rather by what some of the Elders deem operations of the Spirit, the result would be a grand conglomeration of various views. He then went on to say that it was already understood that a Bishop should be ordained; this being so, why not determine which of the officers of the Church should be ordained, and which set apart, defining the distinctions between them. He held that if the Apostles were not united in such matters, confusion must result. Speaking of the ceremony of baptism, he said that it had gone out that the words "forgiveness of your sins" should be added to the ceremony, as published in the Doctrine and Covenants, but that had since been corrected. The speaker held that uniform views on all such subjects should exist in this council.
Brother Lund remarked that if Presidents of Stakes and all officers having special callings were ordained, the sacredness of the word "ordain" would be lost. It was only as to the Presidents of Seventies that the use of this word had been called in question, or rather the omission of it, and he did not think that any difficulty would arise from the present understanding.
President Snow expressed the belief that no further light would be obtained by discussing the question any longer at the present time, and remarked that if the Council preferred the First Presidency to further consider the matter, it would be done.
Brother Clawson moved that this be the sense of the meeting, and the motion was seconded and carried. ... (2)
Endnotes:
1 - Stan Larson (editor), A Ministry of Meetings: The Apostolic diaries of Rudger Clawson, Signature Books in association with Smith Research Associates, Salt Lake City, 1993, http://bit.ly/rudgerclawson
2 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
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Lorenzo Snow, Tuesday, Apr 11, 1899
-- Tuesday, Apr 11, 1899
[Apostle John Henry Smith Diary] Salt Lake City
President Lorenzo Snow instructed Bp. Win. B. Preston and myself to adjust some M. C. & A. Co. affairs with Manager A. W. Ivins. We met and agreed that the Company's money now in the hands of the manager should be held to meet payments soon due on the Oxaca purchase.
We also decided to allow to the Church school $2,000.00 dollars U.S. money, commencing on September 1 st, to be collected from old accounts due the company and from other exchanges of the company's property. We also decided to pay our Manager $1,000.00 in U.S. coin as salary for looking after the Co. business. (1)
-- Apr 11, 1899; Tuesday
Presidents [Lorenzo] Snow, [George Q.] Cannon and [Joseph F.] Smith were at the Office, where they were called upon by Elders Thomas E. Ricks and William F. Rigby, of the Presidency of Fremont [Idaho] Stake, who informed President Snow that the people of that Stake were about to take steps to erect a building to be used as an academy and for other Stake purposes. The President sanctioned the undertaking, provided that no hardships were worked upon the people, and that the Church
should not be called upon to render any assistance. ... (2)
-- Apr 12, 1899; Wednesday
Elder [B. H.] Roberts also reported that during the week he had called upon President Lorenzo Snow, and had an interview with him concerning his work for the future, and had stated to the President that he would not need to draw the allowance now being made to him by the Church. He submitted to the President the question of being relieved somewhat from so many appointments, and the President had stated that, on account of his political duties, Elder Roberts might be excused from religious appointments whenever he found it necessary, and that he might make this statement to the First Council of Seventies. Brother Roberts also stated that he would be relieved as Editor of the Era after the issue of the June number. (3)
Presidents [Lorenzo] Snow, [George Q.] Cannon and [Joseph F.] Smith were at the office. Among the callers of the day was Elder B. H. Roberts, who conversed with President Snow upon the prospect of his getting his seat in Congress. The President remarked during the conversation that it was not clear to him whether Brother Roberts would or would not secure his seat, but it was clear to him that the purpose of the Lord would be accomplished through his trying to get it. ... (2)
Endnotes:
1 - Jean Bickmore White (editor), Church, State, and Politics: The Diaries of John Henry Smith, Signature Books in association with Smith Research Associates, Salt Lake City, 1990, http://bit.ly/johnhenrysmith
2 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
3 - Excerpt from the Minutes of the First Council of the Seventy, April 19, 1899
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
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[Apostle John Henry Smith Diary] Salt Lake City
President Lorenzo Snow instructed Bp. Win. B. Preston and myself to adjust some M. C. & A. Co. affairs with Manager A. W. Ivins. We met and agreed that the Company's money now in the hands of the manager should be held to meet payments soon due on the Oxaca purchase.
We also decided to allow to the Church school $2,000.00 dollars U.S. money, commencing on September 1 st, to be collected from old accounts due the company and from other exchanges of the company's property. We also decided to pay our Manager $1,000.00 in U.S. coin as salary for looking after the Co. business. (1)
-- Apr 11, 1899; Tuesday
Presidents [Lorenzo] Snow, [George Q.] Cannon and [Joseph F.] Smith were at the Office, where they were called upon by Elders Thomas E. Ricks and William F. Rigby, of the Presidency of Fremont [Idaho] Stake, who informed President Snow that the people of that Stake were about to take steps to erect a building to be used as an academy and for other Stake purposes. The President sanctioned the undertaking, provided that no hardships were worked upon the people, and that the Church
should not be called upon to render any assistance. ... (2)
-- Apr 12, 1899; Wednesday
Elder [B. H.] Roberts also reported that during the week he had called upon President Lorenzo Snow, and had an interview with him concerning his work for the future, and had stated to the President that he would not need to draw the allowance now being made to him by the Church. He submitted to the President the question of being relieved somewhat from so many appointments, and the President had stated that, on account of his political duties, Elder Roberts might be excused from religious appointments whenever he found it necessary, and that he might make this statement to the First Council of Seventies. Brother Roberts also stated that he would be relieved as Editor of the Era after the issue of the June number. (3)
Presidents [Lorenzo] Snow, [George Q.] Cannon and [Joseph F.] Smith were at the office. Among the callers of the day was Elder B. H. Roberts, who conversed with President Snow upon the prospect of his getting his seat in Congress. The President remarked during the conversation that it was not clear to him whether Brother Roberts would or would not secure his seat, but it was clear to him that the purpose of the Lord would be accomplished through his trying to get it. ... (2)
Endnotes:
1 - Jean Bickmore White (editor), Church, State, and Politics: The Diaries of John Henry Smith, Signature Books in association with Smith Research Associates, Salt Lake City, 1990, http://bit.ly/johnhenrysmith
2 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
3 - Excerpt from the Minutes of the First Council of the Seventy, April 19, 1899
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
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Lorenzo Snow, Apr 5, 1899; Wednesday
-- Apr 5, 1899; Wednesday
Presidents [Lorenzo] Snow, [George Q.] Cannon and [Joseph F.] Smith were at the Office until 11 A.M., when they met with the Apostles at the Temple in regular weekly council, the time of which was changed on account of the General Conference, which opens to-morrow. The Apostles met yesterday at the Temple, and again at 9:30 this morning, it being their regularly quarterly meeting.
President at the Council: Presidents Lorenzo Snow, George Q. Cannon, Joseph F. Smith and Franklin D. Richards; Apostles Brigham Young [Jr.], Francis M. Lyman, John Henry Smith, George Teasdale, Heber J. Grant, John W. Taylor, Mar[r]iner W. Merrill, Anthon H. Lund, Matthias F. Cowley, Abraham O[wen]. Woodruff and Rudger Clawson.
President Richards announced that the Twelve Apostles had been together yesterday and to-day, that all the members of the Quorum were present, and that they had great joy in the fact that they were in cordial love and fellowship with each other; and they were now prepared to eat and drink with the First Presidency in the name of the lord. He asked President Snow if he had anything special to say to the Apostles. The President replied that he had nothing to say at present, but might have something to say after they had partaken of the sacrament.
President Richards also informed President Snow that the brethren of the Twelve had been talking about the changes that had been made in certain hymns in the hymn book, and that it was believed by some of the brethren that some of these changes were mutilations instead of improvements. He suggested that some hymn books be sent for to the Liverpool [England] Office, books containing the hymns in their original form. President Snow had no objection to this being done.
Brother Grant, speaking upon the same subject, moved that when a new edition of the hymn book should be published, a new committee be appointed to revise the work, with a view to restoring the hymns that had been changed to their original form, excepting such changes as might be considered by them real improvements. The motion was seconded by Brother John Henry Smith, but no action was taken upon it until after the sacrament had been prepared and partaken of, when the motion was renewed and carried.
... The subject of plural marriage came up, and was talked on at considerable length, after which the Council adjourned. ... (1)
-- Monday, Apr 10, 1899
[Apostle Rudger Clawson Diary] Salt Lake City. Clear and mild. 10 a.m. Meeting at the Assembly Hall of the First Presidency, Twelve, presidents of stakes and counselors, patriarchs, high councillors, First Seven Presidents of Seventies, and bishops and counselors.
Pres. Lorenzo Snow was the first speaker. Topics treated. Duties of the presidents of stakes and bishops in the selection of brethren to fill offices of importance. Presidents of Stakes are not selected for their eloquence but rather with a view to their being practical men. Indebtedness of the Church. Said the Church will emerge from debt. Imagination cannot conceive the grandeur of the prospects before us in the other life. The experience and training we are getting here will fit us for that other life. Speaking of the compensation of the presidency of stakes, said those who are really not in need of same should not draw it. Bishops of wards ought not to engage in building of meeting houses or other enterprises of importance without first consulting the presidency of the stake. Following Counsel.
... Apostle H. J. Grant said: In the case of a pres. of a stake, or high councillor, or bishop, or counselor, who did not pay tithing, they should be released. Asked if he gave that as counsel, he said, "No. I give it as my opinion, but if I am wrong the First Presidency are here to correct me." (2)
Endnotes:
1 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
2 - Stan Larson (editor), A Ministry of Meetings: The Apostolic diaries of Rudger Clawson, Signature Books in association with Smith Research Associates, Salt Lake City, 1993, http://bit.ly/rudgerclawson
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
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Presidents [Lorenzo] Snow, [George Q.] Cannon and [Joseph F.] Smith were at the Office until 11 A.M., when they met with the Apostles at the Temple in regular weekly council, the time of which was changed on account of the General Conference, which opens to-morrow. The Apostles met yesterday at the Temple, and again at 9:30 this morning, it being their regularly quarterly meeting.
President at the Council: Presidents Lorenzo Snow, George Q. Cannon, Joseph F. Smith and Franklin D. Richards; Apostles Brigham Young [Jr.], Francis M. Lyman, John Henry Smith, George Teasdale, Heber J. Grant, John W. Taylor, Mar[r]iner W. Merrill, Anthon H. Lund, Matthias F. Cowley, Abraham O[wen]. Woodruff and Rudger Clawson.
President Richards announced that the Twelve Apostles had been together yesterday and to-day, that all the members of the Quorum were present, and that they had great joy in the fact that they were in cordial love and fellowship with each other; and they were now prepared to eat and drink with the First Presidency in the name of the lord. He asked President Snow if he had anything special to say to the Apostles. The President replied that he had nothing to say at present, but might have something to say after they had partaken of the sacrament.
President Richards also informed President Snow that the brethren of the Twelve had been talking about the changes that had been made in certain hymns in the hymn book, and that it was believed by some of the brethren that some of these changes were mutilations instead of improvements. He suggested that some hymn books be sent for to the Liverpool [England] Office, books containing the hymns in their original form. President Snow had no objection to this being done.
Brother Grant, speaking upon the same subject, moved that when a new edition of the hymn book should be published, a new committee be appointed to revise the work, with a view to restoring the hymns that had been changed to their original form, excepting such changes as might be considered by them real improvements. The motion was seconded by Brother John Henry Smith, but no action was taken upon it until after the sacrament had been prepared and partaken of, when the motion was renewed and carried.
... The subject of plural marriage came up, and was talked on at considerable length, after which the Council adjourned. ... (1)
-- Monday, Apr 10, 1899
[Apostle Rudger Clawson Diary] Salt Lake City. Clear and mild. 10 a.m. Meeting at the Assembly Hall of the First Presidency, Twelve, presidents of stakes and counselors, patriarchs, high councillors, First Seven Presidents of Seventies, and bishops and counselors.
Pres. Lorenzo Snow was the first speaker. Topics treated. Duties of the presidents of stakes and bishops in the selection of brethren to fill offices of importance. Presidents of Stakes are not selected for their eloquence but rather with a view to their being practical men. Indebtedness of the Church. Said the Church will emerge from debt. Imagination cannot conceive the grandeur of the prospects before us in the other life. The experience and training we are getting here will fit us for that other life. Speaking of the compensation of the presidency of stakes, said those who are really not in need of same should not draw it. Bishops of wards ought not to engage in building of meeting houses or other enterprises of importance without first consulting the presidency of the stake. Following Counsel.
... Apostle H. J. Grant said: In the case of a pres. of a stake, or high councillor, or bishop, or counselor, who did not pay tithing, they should be released. Asked if he gave that as counsel, he said, "No. I give it as my opinion, but if I am wrong the First Presidency are here to correct me." (2)
Endnotes:
1 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
2 - Stan Larson (editor), A Ministry of Meetings: The Apostolic diaries of Rudger Clawson, Signature Books in association with Smith Research Associates, Salt Lake City, 1993, http://bit.ly/rudgerclawson
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
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Lorenzo Snow, Apr 4, 1899
-- Apr 4, 1899
Church President Lorenzo Snow authorizes proxy work for eleven women who may have been plural wives of Joseph Smith. (1)
"The sealings of those named below were performed during the life of the Prophet Joseph[,] but there is no record thereof. President Lorenzo Snow [president of the Salt Lake Temple, 1893-98] decided that they be repeated in order that a record might exist; and that this explanation be made," regarding "FANNIE ALGER ... LUCINDA HARRIS ... ALMERA W. JOHNSON ... SARAH BAPSON ... FLORA ANN WOODWORTH ... FANNY YOUNG ... HANNAH ELLS ... OLIVE FROST ... SARAH M. CLEVELAND ... SYLVIA SESSIONS (LYON) ... RUTH VOSE ... died 15 Nov 1870 "[extracted (with all-caps added) from Salt Lake Temple Sealing Record Book D, 243 (4 April 1899)] (2)
-- Wednesday, Apr 5, 1899
[Apostle Rudger Clawson Diary] Salt Lake City. Clear and mild. 10 a.m. Continuation of quarterly meeting. The brethren came fasting. Full quorum present, Pres. F. D. Richards [presiding]. Singing. Prayer by [blank]. Singing.
Apostle J. H. Smith made a few remarks suggesting that the quorum ought to be extremely careful and guard against taking action in advance upon any question that may be brought before the Presidency and Twelve, and that we should hesitate before making appeals, as a quorum, to the First Presidency and especially when such appeals affect our personal interests.
Apostle F. M. Lyman in brief remarks said the way would open up for the relief of the brethren from financial embarrassment and also that the Church would be relieved. Said he felt that there was going to be a great change in the financial condition of the Church. The stand that Pres. Snow is taking is the beginning of a great revolution. It will be but a little time when we may look for an increase of faith in the hearts of all. There will be an increase in the tithing. A wonderful change is coming.
I made a few remarks endorsing the sentiments expressed by the brethren. Said that I was deeply impressed with the spirit of our meetings and felt that the inauguration of the quarterly meetings under the direction and by the suggestion of Pres. Lorenzo Snow some years ago was a great and important movement. The Spirit bore testimony to me that the prophecies uttered by the brethren while we have been together would be fulfilled.
At this point the First Presidency came in and, after some conversation in which it was decided by unanimous vote that Pres. Snow be authorized to appoint a committee to revise the next edition of the hymn book, sacrament was administered. The brethren sat around a table provided plentifully with bread and wine, which was blessed by Pres. Geo. Q. Cannon. We had a very enjoyable and profitable time together and adjourned at 2 p.m.... (3)
Endnotes:
1 - Hales, Brian C., Joseph Smith's Polygamy: History and Theology, 2 vols., Salt Lake City: Greg Kofford Books, 2011 (www.JosephSmithsPolygamy.com)
2 - "Evidence For The Sexual Side of Joseph Smith's Polygamy," Comments by D. Michael Quinn on Session #2A "Reconsidering Joseph Smith's Marital Practices," Mormon History Association's Annual Conference, Calgary, Alberta, Canada, 29 June 2012 (unabbreviated version, revised during July)
3 - Stan Larson (editor), A Ministry of Meetings: The Apostolic diaries of Rudger Clawson, Signature Books in association with Smith Research Associates, Salt Lake City, 1993, http://bit.ly/rudgerclawson
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
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Church President Lorenzo Snow authorizes proxy work for eleven women who may have been plural wives of Joseph Smith. (1)
"The sealings of those named below were performed during the life of the Prophet Joseph[,] but there is no record thereof. President Lorenzo Snow [president of the Salt Lake Temple, 1893-98] decided that they be repeated in order that a record might exist; and that this explanation be made," regarding "FANNIE ALGER ... LUCINDA HARRIS ... ALMERA W. JOHNSON ... SARAH BAPSON ... FLORA ANN WOODWORTH ... FANNY YOUNG ... HANNAH ELLS ... OLIVE FROST ... SARAH M. CLEVELAND ... SYLVIA SESSIONS (LYON) ... RUTH VOSE ... died 15 Nov 1870 "[extracted (with all-caps added) from Salt Lake Temple Sealing Record Book D, 243 (4 April 1899)] (2)
-- Wednesday, Apr 5, 1899
[Apostle Rudger Clawson Diary] Salt Lake City. Clear and mild. 10 a.m. Continuation of quarterly meeting. The brethren came fasting. Full quorum present, Pres. F. D. Richards [presiding]. Singing. Prayer by [blank]. Singing.
Apostle J. H. Smith made a few remarks suggesting that the quorum ought to be extremely careful and guard against taking action in advance upon any question that may be brought before the Presidency and Twelve, and that we should hesitate before making appeals, as a quorum, to the First Presidency and especially when such appeals affect our personal interests.
Apostle F. M. Lyman in brief remarks said the way would open up for the relief of the brethren from financial embarrassment and also that the Church would be relieved. Said he felt that there was going to be a great change in the financial condition of the Church. The stand that Pres. Snow is taking is the beginning of a great revolution. It will be but a little time when we may look for an increase of faith in the hearts of all. There will be an increase in the tithing. A wonderful change is coming.
I made a few remarks endorsing the sentiments expressed by the brethren. Said that I was deeply impressed with the spirit of our meetings and felt that the inauguration of the quarterly meetings under the direction and by the suggestion of Pres. Lorenzo Snow some years ago was a great and important movement. The Spirit bore testimony to me that the prophecies uttered by the brethren while we have been together would be fulfilled.
At this point the First Presidency came in and, after some conversation in which it was decided by unanimous vote that Pres. Snow be authorized to appoint a committee to revise the next edition of the hymn book, sacrament was administered. The brethren sat around a table provided plentifully with bread and wine, which was blessed by Pres. Geo. Q. Cannon. We had a very enjoyable and profitable time together and adjourned at 2 p.m.... (3)
Endnotes:
1 - Hales, Brian C., Joseph Smith's Polygamy: History and Theology, 2 vols., Salt Lake City: Greg Kofford Books, 2011 (www.JosephSmithsPolygamy.com)
2 - "Evidence For The Sexual Side of Joseph Smith's Polygamy," Comments by D. Michael Quinn on Session #2A "Reconsidering Joseph Smith's Marital Practices," Mormon History Association's Annual Conference, Calgary, Alberta, Canada, 29 June 2012 (unabbreviated version, revised during July)
3 - Stan Larson (editor), A Ministry of Meetings: The Apostolic diaries of Rudger Clawson, Signature Books in association with Smith Research Associates, Salt Lake City, 1993, http://bit.ly/rudgerclawson
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
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Lorenzo Snow, Apr 2, 1899
-- Apr 2, 1899
Lorenzo Snow presides at Salt Lake temple monthly fast meeting: "Sister Maria Y Dougall bore her testimony and wound up by speaking in tongues which struck me as the finest expression of that beautiful gift to which I had ever listened and when Aunt Zina (H. Young) interpreted it[.] it was sweet in deed." (1)
-- Apr 3, 1899
[Apostle Marriner W. Merrill Diary] Monday. Salt Lake City. I attended meeting with my Quorum at 10 a. m. All the Quorum present. Had an invitation to meet in the Annex of the Temple at 1:30 p. m. to celebrate President Snow's birthday. Spent the afternoon in listening to a program where all the Twelve were called upon for short speeches. Adjourned at 4:30 p. m. (2)
-- Apr 3, 1899; Monday
Presidents [Lorenzo] Snow, [George Q.] Cannon and [Joseph F.] Smith were at the Office. This is President Snow's birthday; he is eighty-five years of age. ...
Bishop Marcellus S. Woolley of the Twenty-first Ward had an interview with Presidents Snow and Cannon regarding the case of a man named Pitchers, who had seduced a young lady (both being members of the Church) and was then living with her in California. He was about to be legally separated from his wife, with her consent, and would then marry the girl. He had heard from the Presidency about the matter, and had got the idea that he was to marry the girl in the Temple, and he received back into fellowship, notwithstanding that he and the girl had both been excommunicated for their transgression. President Snow told Bishop Woolley to keep them on probation until they brought forth fruits meet for repentance.
At 1:15 p.m. Presidents Snow, Cannon and Smith, accompanied by Secretary George F. Gibbs, left the office for the Temple, where the Temple workers awaited the coming of the First Presidency, fully prepared to celebrate President Snow's eighty-fifth anniversary. A pleasing program was carried out, speeches made and a delicious repast served. (3)
-- Tuesday, Apr 4, 1899
[Apostle Rudger Clawson Diary] Salt Lake City. 10 a.m. Continuation of our quarterly meeting at the temple, Pres. Richards presiding. Full quorum present. Singing. Prayer by Apostle Geo. Teasdale. Singing./...
Apostle H. J. Grant made brief remarks. Referred to the prediction of Pres. Richards made 3 months ago that the Lord would open up the way for his deliverance from debt. Said it was being fulfilled—Jany. 1, 1899, he was, he said, $82,000 [in debt]. With the changes that had taken place and the advance in his stocks and holdings his indebtedness would now practically amount to $57,000.00. ... (4)
Endnotes:
1 - On This Day in Mormon History, http://onthisdayinmormonhistory.blogspot.com
2 - Notes from the Miscellaneous Record Book, 1886-1906: Selected diary notes from the journal books of Marriner Wood Merrill, http://amzn.to/newmormonstudies
3 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
4 - Stan Larson (editor), A Ministry of Meetings: The Apostolic diaries of Rudger Clawson, Signature Books in association with Smith Research Associates, Salt Lake City, 1993, http://bit.ly/rudgerclawson
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
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Lorenzo Snow presides at Salt Lake temple monthly fast meeting: "Sister Maria Y Dougall bore her testimony and wound up by speaking in tongues which struck me as the finest expression of that beautiful gift to which I had ever listened and when Aunt Zina (H. Young) interpreted it[.] it was sweet in deed." (1)
-- Apr 3, 1899
[Apostle Marriner W. Merrill Diary] Monday. Salt Lake City. I attended meeting with my Quorum at 10 a. m. All the Quorum present. Had an invitation to meet in the Annex of the Temple at 1:30 p. m. to celebrate President Snow's birthday. Spent the afternoon in listening to a program where all the Twelve were called upon for short speeches. Adjourned at 4:30 p. m. (2)
-- Apr 3, 1899; Monday
Presidents [Lorenzo] Snow, [George Q.] Cannon and [Joseph F.] Smith were at the Office. This is President Snow's birthday; he is eighty-five years of age. ...
Bishop Marcellus S. Woolley of the Twenty-first Ward had an interview with Presidents Snow and Cannon regarding the case of a man named Pitchers, who had seduced a young lady (both being members of the Church) and was then living with her in California. He was about to be legally separated from his wife, with her consent, and would then marry the girl. He had heard from the Presidency about the matter, and had got the idea that he was to marry the girl in the Temple, and he received back into fellowship, notwithstanding that he and the girl had both been excommunicated for their transgression. President Snow told Bishop Woolley to keep them on probation until they brought forth fruits meet for repentance.
At 1:15 p.m. Presidents Snow, Cannon and Smith, accompanied by Secretary George F. Gibbs, left the office for the Temple, where the Temple workers awaited the coming of the First Presidency, fully prepared to celebrate President Snow's eighty-fifth anniversary. A pleasing program was carried out, speeches made and a delicious repast served. (3)
-- Tuesday, Apr 4, 1899
[Apostle Rudger Clawson Diary] Salt Lake City. 10 a.m. Continuation of our quarterly meeting at the temple, Pres. Richards presiding. Full quorum present. Singing. Prayer by Apostle Geo. Teasdale. Singing./...
Apostle H. J. Grant made brief remarks. Referred to the prediction of Pres. Richards made 3 months ago that the Lord would open up the way for his deliverance from debt. Said it was being fulfilled—Jany. 1, 1899, he was, he said, $82,000 [in debt]. With the changes that had taken place and the advance in his stocks and holdings his indebtedness would now practically amount to $57,000.00. ... (4)
Endnotes:
1 - On This Day in Mormon History, http://onthisdayinmormonhistory.blogspot.com
2 - Notes from the Miscellaneous Record Book, 1886-1906: Selected diary notes from the journal books of Marriner Wood Merrill, http://amzn.to/newmormonstudies
3 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
4 - Stan Larson (editor), A Ministry of Meetings: The Apostolic diaries of Rudger Clawson, Signature Books in association with Smith Research Associates, Salt Lake City, 1993, http://bit.ly/rudgerclawson
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
http://lds-church-history.blogspot.com/
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Lorenzo Snow, Friday, Mar 31, 1899
-- Friday, Mar 31, 1899
[Apostle Rudger Clawson Diary] Salt Lake City. Cloudy and mild. Prest. Lorenzo Snow's 85th birthday occurs on Monday, April the 3d. In honor of that event an informal celebration was planned for today at the Brigham Young Academy, Provo. This to suit Pres. Snow's convenience, as he could not be present Monday.
The members composing the President's party were Pres. Snow and wife, Pres. Geo. Q. Cannon and wife, Pres. Jos. F. Smith and wife, Pres. F. D. Richards and wife, Apostle F. M. Lyman and wife, Apostle J. H. Smith and wife, Apostle M. F. Cowley and wife, Apostle A. H. Lund, myself, LeRoi Snow, and Sister M[argaret] G. Clawson. Leaving Salt Lake at 8 a.m. we reached Provo at 10 and were driven immediately to the academy building. A reception committee conducted us to the assembly room in which were gathered about 500 students.
The lady teachers and students withdrew for the purpose of holding a meeting with the lady visitors. A priesthood meeting with the male students was then held, they being arranged in bodies according to their priesthood. Brief reports of a very interesting character were given by a student holding and representing those of the Melchizedek Priesthood, also from the priests, teachers, and deacons.
Pres. Snow made brief remarks. Was highly delighted, he said, in meeting with so many bright young men of the priesthood. Spoke of his early experience in the Church in bearing testimony. Was very diffident and at first could occupy not more than one or two minutes, but made up his mind that whenever called upon to speak, he would do so, and his success as an elder was due to the observance of that resolution. Pointed out the advantages that invariably come from following counsel.
God revealed to him, he said, a perfect knowledge that the gospel as we have it is true and that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. Never sought to be an apostle, or the president of the Twelve, or the president of the Church, but he did seek, he said, for the office of an elder, and when he received that priesthood sought for the spirit of it.
Advised the young men present to be humble that they might have the spirit of revelation, which it is their privilege to enjoy. Never disobeyed counsel, he said, but once. It was in Kirtland 60 years ago. In asking counsel of Pres. [Sidney] Rigdon about going to college, the latter advised him to go. However, he got the spirit of the gospel, he said, and went out preaching instead. Gave an account of his early experience in preaching. In conclusion, he said, be humble and simple and do not try to be great until the Lord brings greatness upon you.
At 1 p.m. a program was given in the assembly room, the visitors and same 500 or 600 students being present. Pres. Cannon made brief remarks alluding to Pres. Snow's 85th birthday. Showed how greatly blessed of the Lord we are in having a man of his great experience to be our president. Spoke of his (Pres. Cannon's) early experience in the Church. His greatest desire at the age of 12 was to become an elder and preach the gospel. Warned the young people against being over-ambitious. Be humble, trust the Lord, and he will bring you forward. Listen to counsel—a man that fails to do this will not succeed. Said there were two things to guard against: namely, impurity and rebellion.
A young lady, dressed in white, entered and in a neat speech presented a basket of flowers to the president. The basket also contained the names of all the students in attendance at the academy.
Pres. Snow expressed feelings of gratitude for what he had witnessed. He then made brief closing remarks upon the principle of obedience. The party returned to Salt Lake at 4:10 p.m. .... (1)
-- Apr 1, 1899; Saturday
... President Snow gave permission for the Tabernacle to be used to-morrow for religious services by the famous Evangelist Dwight L. Moody. (2)
Endnotes:
1 - Stan Larson (editor), A Ministry of Meetings: The Apostolic diaries of Rudger Clawson, Signature Books in association with Smith Research Associates, Salt Lake City, 1993, http://bit.ly/rudgerclawson
2 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
http://lds-church-history.blogspot.com/
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[Apostle Rudger Clawson Diary] Salt Lake City. Cloudy and mild. Prest. Lorenzo Snow's 85th birthday occurs on Monday, April the 3d. In honor of that event an informal celebration was planned for today at the Brigham Young Academy, Provo. This to suit Pres. Snow's convenience, as he could not be present Monday.
The members composing the President's party were Pres. Snow and wife, Pres. Geo. Q. Cannon and wife, Pres. Jos. F. Smith and wife, Pres. F. D. Richards and wife, Apostle F. M. Lyman and wife, Apostle J. H. Smith and wife, Apostle M. F. Cowley and wife, Apostle A. H. Lund, myself, LeRoi Snow, and Sister M[argaret] G. Clawson. Leaving Salt Lake at 8 a.m. we reached Provo at 10 and were driven immediately to the academy building. A reception committee conducted us to the assembly room in which were gathered about 500 students.
The lady teachers and students withdrew for the purpose of holding a meeting with the lady visitors. A priesthood meeting with the male students was then held, they being arranged in bodies according to their priesthood. Brief reports of a very interesting character were given by a student holding and representing those of the Melchizedek Priesthood, also from the priests, teachers, and deacons.
Pres. Snow made brief remarks. Was highly delighted, he said, in meeting with so many bright young men of the priesthood. Spoke of his early experience in the Church in bearing testimony. Was very diffident and at first could occupy not more than one or two minutes, but made up his mind that whenever called upon to speak, he would do so, and his success as an elder was due to the observance of that resolution. Pointed out the advantages that invariably come from following counsel.
God revealed to him, he said, a perfect knowledge that the gospel as we have it is true and that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. Never sought to be an apostle, or the president of the Twelve, or the president of the Church, but he did seek, he said, for the office of an elder, and when he received that priesthood sought for the spirit of it.
Advised the young men present to be humble that they might have the spirit of revelation, which it is their privilege to enjoy. Never disobeyed counsel, he said, but once. It was in Kirtland 60 years ago. In asking counsel of Pres. [Sidney] Rigdon about going to college, the latter advised him to go. However, he got the spirit of the gospel, he said, and went out preaching instead. Gave an account of his early experience in preaching. In conclusion, he said, be humble and simple and do not try to be great until the Lord brings greatness upon you.
At 1 p.m. a program was given in the assembly room, the visitors and same 500 or 600 students being present. Pres. Cannon made brief remarks alluding to Pres. Snow's 85th birthday. Showed how greatly blessed of the Lord we are in having a man of his great experience to be our president. Spoke of his (Pres. Cannon's) early experience in the Church. His greatest desire at the age of 12 was to become an elder and preach the gospel. Warned the young people against being over-ambitious. Be humble, trust the Lord, and he will bring you forward. Listen to counsel—a man that fails to do this will not succeed. Said there were two things to guard against: namely, impurity and rebellion.
A young lady, dressed in white, entered and in a neat speech presented a basket of flowers to the president. The basket also contained the names of all the students in attendance at the academy.
Pres. Snow expressed feelings of gratitude for what he had witnessed. He then made brief closing remarks upon the principle of obedience. The party returned to Salt Lake at 4:10 p.m. .... (1)
-- Apr 1, 1899; Saturday
... President Snow gave permission for the Tabernacle to be used to-morrow for religious services by the famous Evangelist Dwight L. Moody. (2)
Endnotes:
1 - Stan Larson (editor), A Ministry of Meetings: The Apostolic diaries of Rudger Clawson, Signature Books in association with Smith Research Associates, Salt Lake City, 1993, http://bit.ly/rudgerclawson
2 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
http://lds-church-history.blogspot.com/
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