-- Nov 10, 1896
The First Presidency at their Office this morning were waited upon by County Attorney C. O. Whittemore, who introduced Miss Virginia Dodge, a writer and agent of the National Republican committee. She was visiting Utah and other Western States. Elder C[harles]. W. Penrose was instructed to give her such information as she desired, and she was also supplied with Church works. A special car was run out to Saltair for her accommodation. [November 12, 1896; Journal History; Franklin D. Richards, Diary; Brigham Young Jr., Diary; Marriner Wood Merrill, Diary]
The Presidency and Apostles met at the Temple at 11 A.M. Present: Presidents [Wilford] Woodruff, [George Q.] Cannon, [Joseph F.] Smith and [Lorenzo] Snow; Elders F[ranklin]. D. Richards, B[righam]. Young [Jr.], F[rancis]. M. Lyman, J[ohn]. H[enry]. Smith, G[eorge]. Teasdale, H[eber]. J. Grant, M[arriner]. W[ood]. Merrill, and A[nthon]. H. Lund.
President Snow informed the Council that he had received a long letter from Brother Moses Thatcher. He had also held a conversation with him last Saturday on the train between Salt Lake and Brigham City [Utah]. Brother Thatcher talked a long time, and was full of complaints about President Cannon and Brother Brigham for stating that Brother Thatcher was in rebellion. He listened until he thought Brother Thatcher had finished, but as soon as he endeavored to speak, Brother Thatcher would interrupt him, until he had to request that he be allowed to speak without interruption. Brother Thatcher was very angry, and insisted that he should know what the Church had against him. President Snow said Brother Thatcher was entirely devoid of the spirit of his Apostleship and he told him so, and pointed out the only way in which he could regain it and get the fellowship of his brethren. President Snow felt that the time had come when action should be taken on Brother Thatcher's case, and suggested that the Twelve meet for that purpose at an early date. He would be in favor of immediate action, but learned that Brother Thatcher was at the bedside of his eldest son who was dangerously sick. He considered Brother Thatcher worthy of excommunication, but in view of the sympathy toward him of some of the people, it would be perhaps unwise to proceed to that extremity. The letter from Brother Thatcher was then read as follows:
Logan City, Cache Co[unty]., Utah.
November 11th, 1896. Elder Lorenzo Snow, President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles and Members of the Quorum, Salt Lake City, Utah. Dear Brethren: —
By way of preface to a request I am about to make of you, my brethren, I humbly ask your attention while I review, briefly the reasons which lead me to make it.
My name was regularly presented to the people and I was regularly sustained in my position in the Church until the 6th day of April, 1896. On that day at noon, and never before, a document was presented to me for my signature. I was then confined to my room with what I considered at the time a fatal illness. I was given about one hour and thirty minutes within which to consider a matter of vital importance, not only to myself, but, in my opinion, to the people. I could not see my way clear to sign it without stultification, and I so informed you by letter. In about two hours from that time my name was dropped from the list of Apostles presented to the conference for confirmation. No reason for your action was given and my letter of explanation was, for reasons best known to yourselves, suppressed.
Matters went on in this way until, a day or two before the funeral of our lamented Brother, Abraham H. Cannon, I called upon President Woodruff and told him I desired to be relieved of all responsibility for a while in order to regain my health and strength. He acquiesced. Subsequently I was informed by Brother C[harles]. W. Penrose that the brethren were willing for me to lay aside all care and go away if I desired and that nothing further would be done concerning my standing until I should be fully restored to health, if it took six months, a year, or even two years. And these representations of Brother Penrose have since been confirmed by several members of our Quorum.
I then went to Logan Canyon where I remained about six weeks. While there rumors began to circulate that my case would be taken up notwithstanding the promises which had been given me. These rumors did not reach me at the time but they reached my son, Moses Thatcher Jr. who at once went to the city where he called at President Woodruff's office in company with his Brother Preston and Bishop W[illiam]. B. Preston. While waiting for an opportunity to see President Woodruff Brother Brigham Young entered and to him my son told the object of his visit. Then Brother Young went into the President's Office, after a while President Snow, Apostles Richards, Young and Smith, Bishop Preston and others came out from President Woodruff's office and assured my son that they had delivered his message to President Woodruff and that he and all the brethren present had unanimously decided that nothing whatever would be done in my matter until I felt mentally and physically able to meet with the brethren. President Snow bade my son to convey me that message which he did by returning home and driving to my camp 30 miles up Logan Canyon. When President Woodruff at that meeting was reminded of his former promise to me he said he had not seen me and that I had not called on him for many months. Bishop Preston reminded him of my visit a day or so before Brother Abraham H. Cannon's funeral and of our conversation at the time, whereupon he recalled the circumstances and then said that he remembered distinctly what had transpired on that occasion.
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Had it not been for the assurances and reassurances given me I would have attended the conference before which, in my absence, I was publicly accused.
Upon my return to Logan from the canyon I was dumbfounded on reading and hearing reports of the treatment I had received at conference. Feeling, however, that there might be some reason unknown to me for your apparent change of mind, for making my case public and for your statements concerning me, I went to Salt Lake on purpose to ascertain the truth if possible. On my way to the office of President Woodruff October 14th, I met Brother Franklin D. Richards. I told him I expected to meet with my Quorum at their regular meeting on the following day. He replied that they would be delighted to have me. I asked if there could be any objection to it. He assured me there would not be, and that he could vote for it with both hands.
Accordingly I went to the Temple next day at the regular hour and was informed that the presidency of the Church had given orders not to admit me into the Temple. I was surprised and grieved but one thought consoled me and that was that during the last six months of the construction of the Temple, now closed against me, I had given $3,500.00 towards its completion and if I had it to do over again I would give even more. No reason was given for refusing me admittance; no explanation was offered, not even by the one who had assured me of a welcome with both hands.
I went home distressed and with such a flood of sorrow in my heart compared with which the pain and sufferings of five years were like a drop to the ocean. I asked God for light and wisdom; I searched the innermost depths of my soul; I reviewed my whole life and my record in the Church to find some excuse for the action taken but in vain. As it seemed I was cut off from communication with you in very way, I wrote to the President of my Quorum asking what my brethren had against me, pleading humbly and respectfully to the charges, specifically stated, that I might have a chance to prove my innocence or prove guilty.
Before I heard from you I had gone to Logan with the intention of visiting my brother who resides in Idaho. While in Logan word reached me that Brother Franklin D. Richards had called at my home in Salt Lake City to see me. He left word that my Quorum desired me to meet with them and thought that such meeting might be arranged in the Temple annex if I would name the day when I could be present. I immediately sent word to him that I did not desire to set the time, but would leave the time and place of meeting with the Quorum, desiring to conform to their convenience. Not hearing anything further about the matter I returned to Salt Lake City where I waited several days and wrote you again, meantime receiving the following answer to my request for specific charges:
"Holiness to the Lord
Salt Lake Temple.
Salt Lake City, Utah, Oct[ober]. 23rd, 1896. Box 18. Elder Moses Thatcher, City. Dear Brother:
Your communication of the 16th instant was received by me on the 19th, and its contents carefully noted.
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Since the writing of your letter the full stenographic report of the remarks of the brethren made at our late General Conference has been published in the Deseret News, in which their feelings concerning you are quite fully expressed; and you not having read these published remarks prior to the writing of your communication I take it for granted that it will not be necessary for me to explain or answer further.
With kindest regards,
Your brother,
Lorenzo Snow."
This communication changed the face of the whole matter, because in it I am cited to the public press to read the accusations made against me in public meetings before the Saints in General Conference assembled and before the world. I am told to go to a newspaper and there read what my brethren have said about me and against me, and to these public utterances published to all mankind I am to make my answer.
But, owing to the word sent me by Brother F[ranklin]. D. Richards, I still thought you might possibly have other communications to make, outside of the public declarations to which you referred me in your letter of Oct[ober]. 23rd, and being in the city in response to that request, I therefore wrote you on the 4th of November asking for information as to when that meeting would be called.
In reply I received a letter from you, President Snow, dated November 6th, 1896, in which you repeat in full your letter of Oct[ober]. 23rd, thus indicating that the public declarations made in conference covered all the charges against me; you say further that you had hoped I would write no more after receiving your letter of Oct[ober]. 23, and that I should have lost no time in seeking you personally after receiving that letter and that you, one and all were disappointed at my lack of wisdom after receiving that letter, and that therefore the temple was closed against me on the 15th of October. Believe me, it is hard to understand how any supposed disregard of a letter written October 23rd should cause the temple to be closed against me on the 15th of the same month, or eight days before.
Be this as it may, I desire to make a simple request of you, to which, I am sure, your sense of justice and honor will acquiesce. It is this: As I was accused in public I desire to meet the charges in public. Although the judges before whom I am to be arranged have nearly all expressed an opinion as to the merits of my case; although my accusers are to sit in judgment over me; although a verdict has already been delivered against me without a hearing and in the most public manner; still will I be willing to submit my case to them, to place in their keeping, not only my life but that which is dearer to me than life,—only asking for the defence the same publicity which has been given the prosecution.
It has been written, "If any shall offend in secret he shall be rebuked in secret," but I have been rebuked in public and therefore ask a hearing in public. I am moved to make this request, not only because my brethren have one after another accused me before congregations of saints, nor because the door of the Temple has been closed in my face, nor because Bro[ther]. Joseph F. Smith in the last Logan Conference classed me as one of the enemies of the church and publicly reprimanded my former bishop for mentioning me in his prayers; but also because in the conversation with Pres[iden]t. Lorenzo Snow, on the train between Salt Lake and Brigham City last Saturday, Nov[ember]. 7th, I was given the
183 impression that I have absolutely nothing to hope for in any other than a public hearing, such as I now request. I shall not trouble my brethren, therefore, to convene in a special meeting named for Thursday at 2 o'clock p.m. in the Historian's Office.
In conclusion, brethren, I desire to say that nothing could shake my faith in the everlasting Gospel. All the trials and afflictions through which I have passed leave me firm in my belief. I am devoted to my church, my people and my God. I have willingly made every sacrifice required of me. I have given freely of my time and means to the upbuilding of the Kingdom of God. I have never shirked a responsibility placed upon me. If I have done wrong it is because I am mortal, but I bear no consciousness of wrongful intent. If I have not been in harmony with my brethren of the Quorum of the Twelve on religious matters I was not aware of it till their public declarations to that effect. Have not frequent authoritative declarations been made in public during the past few years as the perfect harmony existing between all the members of the Quorum and between them and the First Presidency? With those made so often in sacred places you are familiar. It is very hard to understand why, in the face of these, the public should now be informed that we have not been in harmony for years.
Brethren this matter may seem trivial to you, for in your hands is placed the judgment, while I stand in the position of a victim. Misapprehension as to the motives prompting my action during all the years of my official life may be the result of mis- information; and prejudice, once aroused, increases, as you know, like an avalanche. If there is aught in word or act of mine since I have been a member of the church that I would not have published upon the housetops I do not know it; and yet I am aware that any man is liable to become darkened in his mind, who, nevertheless, may still desire to do right and be just in all things. Therefore, I beseech you, let mercy have its claims, then award to Justice, under the laws of God, all its demands; remembering always that it is a serious matter to judge even in small concerns, but it becomes of great magnitude when involving that which is more precious than life.
I am, Respectfully,
Your brother and fellow-laborer,
Moses Thatcher." The opinion was expressed by brethren present that the letter was full of the spirit of hypocrisy, and it was plain that Brother Thatcher did not intend to meet with the quorum. President Woodruff repeated what he had several times said before, that the Twelve would have to deal with Brother Thatcher. President Cannon expressed the opinion that the letter was written for publication, the intent being to make it appear that injustice was done Brother Thatcher when they take action upon his case. It was unanimously decided that the following notice should be served upon Brother Thatcher:
Nov[ember]. 12th, 1896. Elder Moses Thatcher, Logan. Dear Brother: —
This is to notify you that at a meeting of the Quorum of Twelve Apostles held today, it was resolved that as you are not in fellowship with the Council your case will be called up for consideration and action at a meeting to be held for that purpose at 10 A.M. on Thursday, the 19th inst., at the Historian's Office this City.
With kind regards,
Your brother,
Lorenzo Snow. Elder Geo[rge]. Teasdale was appointed to take charge of the prayer circle formerly presided over by Elder Abraham H. Cannon. At council of 3 presidents & all the 11 except Moses Thatcher. A letter of 6 pages of type writing dated yesterday at Logan [Utah] from Br[other] M[oses]. Thatcher was read in which he declines to meet the council at Historian's office & requests a public hearing. After consideration it was decided to inform him that a C[ouncil]. of Apostles will meet to hear or take action in his case on Thursday the 19th at 10 am in H[istorian's] O[ffice] Building. Heard letter from Senator Redfield Proctor on politics.
Met in Temple; long letter from Bro[ther]. Moses Thatcher. He declines to meet his Quorum any more, says he must be examined public before the people. Makes a number of mis[s]tatements so we proved by Bro[ther] F[ranklin] D R[ichards. and Pres[ident] L[orenzo]. Snows letters. Informed him to appear that his case would be handled at His[torian's] office in one week from today. at least that is the tenor of the note dispatched. Pres[iden]t. [Wilford] Woodruff remarked to Council that "Bro[ther] M[oses]. T[hathcer]. would not yeild to his brethren." Now it looks like he was giving his apostleship for a bare chance of getting into the U.S. Senate. Poor man how our hearts ache for him and his family. God help them for Moses is beyond reach. I attended Council Meeting at 11 AM in the Temple the First Presidency and 9 Apostles were Present Viz L[orenzo] Snow, F[ranklin]. D Richards, B[righam] Young [Jr.], F[rancis] M Lyman, J[ohn] H[enry] Smith H[eber] J Grant Geo[rge] Teasdale, Antone Lund M[arriner]. W[ood]. Merrill, Moses Thatcher was notified to be present but failed to come sent a long communication &c. councel decided to give Him another chance to Meet with His Quorum and if He did Not come action in His case would be taken so adj[ourned] to Nov[ember] 19th Thursday at 10 am in the Historians Office Salt Lake City. (1)
-- Nov 12, 1896; Thursday
The Presidency and Apostles met at the Temple at 11 A.M. Present: Presidents [Wilford] Woodruff, [George Q.] Cannon, [Joseph F.] Smith and [Lorenzo] Snow; Elders F[ranklin]. D. Richards, B[righam]. Young [Jr.],
F[rancis]. M. Lyman, J[ohn]. H[enry]. Smith, G[eorge]. Teasdale, H[eber]. J. Grant, M[arriner]. W[ood]. Merrill, and A[nthon]. H. Lund.
President Snow informed the Council that he had received a long letter from Brother Moses Thatcher. He had also held a conversation with him last Saturday on the train between Salt Lake and Brigham City [Utah]. Brother Thatcher talked a long time, and was full of complaints about President Cannon and Brother Brigham for stating that Brother Thatcher was in rebellion. He listened until he thought Brother Thatcher had finished, but as soon as he endeavored to speak, Brother Thatcher would interrupt him, until he had to request that he be allowed to speak without interruption. Brother Thatcher was very angry, and insisted that he should know what the Church had against him. President Snow said Brother Thatcher was entirely devoid of the spirit of his Apostleship and he told him so, and pointed out the only way in which he could regain it and get the fellowship of his brethren. President Snow felt that the time had come when action should be taken on Brother Thatcher's case, and suggested that the Twelve meet for that purpose at an early date. He would be in favor of immediate action, but learned that Brother Thatcher was at the bedside of his eldest son who was dangerously sick. He considered Brother Thatcher worthy of excommunication, but in view of the sympathy toward him of some of the people, it would be perhaps unwise to proceed to that extremity. The letter from Brother Thatcher was then read as follows:
Logan City, Cache Co[unty]., Utah.
November 11th, 1896.
Elder Lorenzo Snow,
President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles and
Members of the Quorum,
Salt Lake City, Utah.
Dear Brethren: --
By way of preface to a request I am about to make of you, my brethren, I humbly ask your attention while I review, briefly the reasons which lead me to make it.
My name was regularly presented to the people and I was regularly sustained in my position in the Church until the 6th day of April, 1896. On that day at noon, and never before, a document was presented to me for my signature. I was then confined to my room with what I considered at the time a fatal illness. I was given about one hour and thirty minutes within which to consider a matter of vital importance, not only to myself, but, in my opinion, to the people. I could not see my way clear to sign it without stultification, and I so informed you by letter. In about two hours from that time my name was dropped from the list of Apostles presented to the conference for confirmation. No reason for your action was given and my letter of explanation was, for reasons best known to yourselves, suppressed.
Matters went on in this way until, a day or two before the funeral of our lamented Brother, Abraham H. Cannon, I called upon President Woodruff and told him I desired to be relieved of all responsibility for a while in order to regain my
health and strength. He acquiesced. Subsequently I was informed by Brother C[harles]. W. Penrose that the brethren were willing for me to lay aside all care and go away if I desired and that nothing further would be done concerning my standing until I should be fully restored to health, if it took six months, a year, or even two years. And these representations of Brother Penrose have since been confirmed by several members of our Quorum.
I then went to Logan Canyon where I remained about six weeks. While there rumors began to circulate that my case would be taken up notwithstanding the promises which had been given me. These rumors did not reach me at the time but they reached my son, Moses Thatcher Jr. who at once went to the city where he called at President Woodruff's office in company with his Brother Preston and Bishop W[illiam]. B. Preston. While waiting for an opportunity to see President Woodruff Brother Brigham Young entered and to him my son told the object of his visit. Then Brother Young went into the President's Office, after a while President Snow, Apostles Richards, Young and Smith, Bishop Preston and others came out from President Woodruff's office and assured my son that they had delivered his message to President Woodruff and that he and all the brethren present had unanimously decided that nothing whatever would be done in my matter until I felt mentally and physically able to meet with the brethren. President Snow bade my son to convey me that message which he did by returning home and driving to my camp 30 miles up Logan Canyon. When President Woodruff at that meeting was reminded of his former promise to me he said he had not seen me and that I had not called on him for many months. Bishop Preston reminded him of my visit a day or so before Brother Abraham H. Cannon's funeral and of our conversation at the time, whereupon he recalled the circumstances and then said that he remembered distinctly what had transpired on that occasion.
Had it not been for the assurances and reassurances given me I would have attended the conference before which, in my absence, I was publicly accused.
Upon my return to Logan from the canyon I was dumbfounded on reading and hearing reports of the treatment I had received at conference. Feeling, however, that there might be some reason unknown to me for your apparent change of mind, for making my case public and for your statements concerning me, I went to Salt Lake on purpose to ascertain the truth if possible. On my way to the office of President Woodruff October 14th, I met Brother Franklin D. Richards. I told him I expected to meet with my Quorum at their regular meeting on the following day. He replied that they would be delighted to have me. I asked if there could be any objection to it. He assured me there would not be, and that he could vote for it with both hands.
Accordingly I went to the Temple next day at the regular hour and was informed that the presidency of the Church had given orders not to admit me into the Temple. I was surprised and
grieved but one thought consoled me and that was that during the last six months of the construction of the Temple, now closed against me, I had given $3,500.00 towards its completion and if I had it to do over again I would give even more. No reason was given for refusing me admittance; no explanation was offered, not even by the one who had assured me of a welcome with both hands.
I went home distressed and with such a flood of sorrow in my heart compared with which the pain and sufferings of five years were like a drop to the ocean. I asked God for light and wisdom; I searched the innermost depths of my soul; I reviewed my whole life and my record in the Church to find some excuse for the action taken but in vain. As it seemed I was cut off from communication with you in very way, I wrote to the President of my Quorum asking what my brethren had against me, pleading humbly and respectfully to the charges, specifically stated, that I might have a chance to prove my innocence or prove guilty.
Before I heard from you I had gone to Logan with the intention of visiting my brother who resides in Idaho. While in Logan word reached me that Brother Franklin D. Richards had called at my home in Salt Lake City to see me. He left word that my Quorum desired me to meet with them and thought that such meeting might be arranged in the Temple annex if I would name the day when I could be present. I immediately sent word to him that I did not desire to set the time, but would leave the time and place of meeting with the Quorum, desiring to conform to their convenience. Not hearing anything further about the matter I returned to Salt Lake City where I waited several days and wrote you again, meantime receiving the following answer to my request for specific charges:
"Holiness to the Lord
Salt Lake Temple.
Salt Lake City, Utah, Oct[ober]. 23rd, 1896.
Box 18.
Elder Moses Thatcher,
City.
Dear Brother:
Your communication of the 16th instant was received by me on the 19th, and its contents carefully noted.
Since the writing of your letter the full stenographic report of the remarks of the brethren made at our late General Conference has been published in the Deseret News, in which their feelings concerning you are quite fully expressed; and you not having read these published remarks prior to the writing of your communication I take it for granted that it will not be necessary for me to explain or answer further.
With kindest regards,
Your brother,
Lorenzo Snow."
This communication changed the face of the whole matter, because in it I am cited to the public press to read the accusations made against me in public meetings before the
Saints in General Conference assembled and before the world. I am told to go to a newspaper and there read what my brethren have said about me and against me, and to these public utterances published to all mankind I am to make my answer.
But, owing to the word sent me by Brother F[ranklin]. D. Richards, I still thought you might possibly have other communications to make, outside of the public declarations to which you referred me in your letter of Oct[ober]. 23rd, and being in the city in response to that request, I therefore wrote you on the 4th of November asking for information as to when that meeting would be called.
In reply I received a letter from you, President Snow, dated November 6th, 1896, in which you repeat in full your letter of Oct[ober]. 23rd, thus indicating that the public declarations made in conference covered all the charges against me; you say further that you had hoped I would write no more after receiving your letter of Oct[ober]. 23, and that I should have lost no time in seeking you personally after receiving that letter and that you, one and all were disappointed at my lack of wisdom after receiving that letter, and that therefore the temple was closed against me on the 15th of October. Believe me, it is hard to understand how any supposed disregard of a letter written October 23rd should cause the temple to be closed against me on the 15th of the same month, or eight days before.
Be this as it may, I desire to make a simple request of you, to which, I am sure, your sense of justice and honor will acquiesce. It is this: As I was accused in public I desire to meet the charges in public. Although the judges before whom I am to be arranged have nearly all expressed an opinion as to the merits of my case; although my accusers are to sit in judgment over me; although a verdict has already been delivered against me without a hearing and in the most public manner; still will I be willing to submit my case to them, to place in their keeping, not only my life but that which is dearer to me than life,--only asking for the defence the same publicity which has been given the prosecution.
It has been written, "If any shall offend in secret he shall be rebuked in secret," but I have been rebuked in public and therefore ask a hearing in public. I am moved to make this request, not only because my brethren have one after another accused me before congregations of saints, nor because the door of the Temple has been closed in my face, nor because Bro[ther]. Joseph F. Smith in the last Logan Conference classed me as one of the enemies of the church and publicly reprimanded my former bishop for mentioning me in his prayers; but also because in the conversation with Pres[iden]t. Lorenzo Snow, on the train between Salt Lake and Brigham City last Saturday, Nov[ember]. 7th, I was given the impression that I have absolutely nothing to hope for in any other than a public hearing, such as I now request. I shall not trouble my brethren, therefore, to convene in a special meeting named for Thursday at 2 o'clock p.m. in the
Historian's Office.
In conclusion, brethren, I desire to say that nothing could shake my faith in the everlasting Gospel. All the trials and afflictions through which I have passed leave me firm in my belief. I am devoted to my church, my people and my God. I have willingly made every sacrifice required of me. I have given freely of my time and means to the upbuilding of the Kingdom of God. I have never shirked a responsibility placed upon me. If I have done wrong it is because I am mortal, but I bear no consciousness of wrongful intent. If I have not been in harmony with my brethren of the Quorum of the Twelve on religious matters I was not aware of it till their public declarations to that effect. Have not frequent authoritative declarations been made in public during the past few years as the perfect harmony existing between all the members of the Quorum and between them and the First Presidency? With those made so often in sacred places you are familiar. It is very hard to understand why, in the face of these, the public should now be informed that we have not been in harmony for years.
Brethren this matter may seem trivial to you, for in your hands is placed the judgment, while I stand in the position of a victim. Misapprehension as to the motives prompting my action during all the years of my official life may be the result of mis-information; and prejudice, once aroused, increases, as you know, like an avalanche. If there is aught in word or act of mine since I have been a member of the church that I would not have published upon the housetops I do not know it; and yet I am aware that any man is liable to become darkened in his mind, who, nevertheless, may still desire to do right and be just in all things. Therefore, I beseech you, let mercy have its claims, then award to Justice, under the laws of God, all its demands; remembering always that it is a serious matter to judge even in small concerns, but it becomes of great magnitude when involving that which is more precious than life.
I am,
Respectfully, Your brother and fellow-laborer,
Moses Thatcher."
The opinion was expressed by brethren present that the letter was full of the spirit of hypocrisy, and it was plain that Brother Thatcher did not intend to meet with the quorum. President Woodruff repeated what he had several times said before, that the Twelve would have to deal with Brother Thatcher.
President Cannon expressed the opinion that the letter was written for publication, the intent being to make it appear that injustice was done Brother Thatcher when they take action upon his case.
It was unanimously decided that the following notice should be served upon Brother Thatcher:
Nov[ember]. 12th, 1896.
Elder Moses Thatcher,
Logan.
Dear Brother: --
This is to notify you that at a meeting of the Quorum of Twelve Apostles held today, it was resolved that as you are not in fellowship with the Council your case will be called up for consideration and action at a meeting to be held for that purpose at 10 A.M. on Thursday, the 19th inst., at the Historian's Office this City.
With kind regards,
Your brother,
Lorenzo Snow.
Elder Geo[rge]. Teasdale was appointed to take charge of the prayer circle formerly presided over by Elder Abraham H. Cannon. (2)
Endnotes:
1 - Journal History
2 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
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Lorenzo Snow, Nov 5,1896
-- Nov 5,1896
[Utah] Apostle Lorenzo Snow's youngest plural wife bears his last child in Canada. At age 82 he is the oldest General Authority to father a child. (1)
-- Nov 6, 1896; Friday
The following letter was sent by President Lorenzo Snow to M[oses]. Thatcher today:
Nov[ember]. 6th, 1896.
Elder Moses Thatcher,
Dear Brother: --
Your letter of the 4th inst., received. In it you state that you learned last week at Logan [Utah] through letter that Brother Franklin D. Richards had called at your house for the purpose of informing you that myself and the Quorum of Apostles desire to meet you in the Annex of the Temple, also intimating that it is our desire that you name a date when you could be present. I wish to correct this impression, the Quorum as such not having expressed themselves in regard to this matter. Doubtless the misunderstanding arose from the fact that some time ago an appointment was made to meet with you in the Temple annex, which appointment was not kept owing to your physical inability to do so, as we learned verbally through Brother John Henry Smith. But since then the Council of First Presidency and Apostles felt it to be due to the late General Conference that something should be said by way of explanation for withholding the presentation of your name to be sustained by the conference as one of the general authorities of the Church, which resulted in the remarks of the brethren on this subject as published in full in the News. Since then also a card has been published over the signatures of the First Presidency informing the officers and members of the Church that the withholding your name from going before the last two Conferences, suspended you from exercising the functions of your priesthood, the publication of this card having been made necessary, contrary to our expectations, by your addressing public congregations of the Saints in your suspended condition. Since then too I sent to you the following under date of the 23rd ult.
"Elder Moses Thatcher, City: --
Dear Brother: -- Your communication of the 16th inst was received by me on the 19th, and its contents carefully noted. Since the writing of your letter the full stenographic report of the remarks of the brethren made at our late general conference has been published in the Deseret News, in which their feelings concerning you are quite fully expressed; and you not having read these published remarks prior to the writing of your communication, I take it for granted that it will not be necessary for me to explain or answer further.
With kindest regards,
Your brother,
Lorenzo Snow.["]
I may say the foregoing was in response to your communication in which you desired that whatever charges your brethren might think proper to make against you, that the same be specifically made in writing, etc. In penning the foregoing I hoped that further correspondence would not be indulged in by you, but that just as soon as you fully realized your true position you would not rest until you had conferred with me personally in regard to arranging for an interview with your quorum for the purpose of regaining their fellowship. I repeat, I hoped your feelings would have prompted you to do this and I felt warranted in believing that your wisdom would have led you to do it; but in this I was disappointed, as so were your brethren one and all.
This being the condition of affairs, you were not admitted to the Temple on the forenoon of Thursday, 15th ult.; for the further reason also that the meeting of that day was not a meeting of our quorum, but the regular Council Meeting of the First Presidency and Apostles, at which business of pressing importance was to be attended to, which could not be deferred for consideration of your suspension.
In accordance with your wishes for a meeting, I take pleasure in appointing 2 o'clock on Thursday next, at the Historian's Office, upon which date the quorum will be pleased to meet with you.
With kindest regards,
Your brother and fellow-servant,
Lorenzo Snow. (2)
Endnotes:
1 - Quinn, D. Michael, The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power, Appendix 5, Selected Chronology of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1848-1996, http://amzn.to/extensions-power
2 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
http://lds-church-history.blogspot.com/
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[Utah] Apostle Lorenzo Snow's youngest plural wife bears his last child in Canada. At age 82 he is the oldest General Authority to father a child. (1)
-- Nov 6, 1896; Friday
The following letter was sent by President Lorenzo Snow to M[oses]. Thatcher today:
Nov[ember]. 6th, 1896.
Elder Moses Thatcher,
Dear Brother: --
Your letter of the 4th inst., received. In it you state that you learned last week at Logan [Utah] through letter that Brother Franklin D. Richards had called at your house for the purpose of informing you that myself and the Quorum of Apostles desire to meet you in the Annex of the Temple, also intimating that it is our desire that you name a date when you could be present. I wish to correct this impression, the Quorum as such not having expressed themselves in regard to this matter. Doubtless the misunderstanding arose from the fact that some time ago an appointment was made to meet with you in the Temple annex, which appointment was not kept owing to your physical inability to do so, as we learned verbally through Brother John Henry Smith. But since then the Council of First Presidency and Apostles felt it to be due to the late General Conference that something should be said by way of explanation for withholding the presentation of your name to be sustained by the conference as one of the general authorities of the Church, which resulted in the remarks of the brethren on this subject as published in full in the News. Since then also a card has been published over the signatures of the First Presidency informing the officers and members of the Church that the withholding your name from going before the last two Conferences, suspended you from exercising the functions of your priesthood, the publication of this card having been made necessary, contrary to our expectations, by your addressing public congregations of the Saints in your suspended condition. Since then too I sent to you the following under date of the 23rd ult.
"Elder Moses Thatcher, City: --
Dear Brother: -- Your communication of the 16th inst was received by me on the 19th, and its contents carefully noted. Since the writing of your letter the full stenographic report of the remarks of the brethren made at our late general conference has been published in the Deseret News, in which their feelings concerning you are quite fully expressed; and you not having read these published remarks prior to the writing of your communication, I take it for granted that it will not be necessary for me to explain or answer further.
With kindest regards,
Your brother,
Lorenzo Snow.["]
I may say the foregoing was in response to your communication in which you desired that whatever charges your brethren might think proper to make against you, that the same be specifically made in writing, etc. In penning the foregoing I hoped that further correspondence would not be indulged in by you, but that just as soon as you fully realized your true position you would not rest until you had conferred with me personally in regard to arranging for an interview with your quorum for the purpose of regaining their fellowship. I repeat, I hoped your feelings would have prompted you to do this and I felt warranted in believing that your wisdom would have led you to do it; but in this I was disappointed, as so were your brethren one and all.
This being the condition of affairs, you were not admitted to the Temple on the forenoon of Thursday, 15th ult.; for the further reason also that the meeting of that day was not a meeting of our quorum, but the regular Council Meeting of the First Presidency and Apostles, at which business of pressing importance was to be attended to, which could not be deferred for consideration of your suspension.
In accordance with your wishes for a meeting, I take pleasure in appointing 2 o'clock on Thursday next, at the Historian's Office, upon which date the quorum will be pleased to meet with you.
With kindest regards,
Your brother and fellow-servant,
Lorenzo Snow. (2)
Endnotes:
1 - Quinn, D. Michael, The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power, Appendix 5, Selected Chronology of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1848-1996, http://amzn.to/extensions-power
2 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
http://lds-church-history.blogspot.com/
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Lorenzo Snow, Nov 5, 1896; Thursday
-- Nov 5, 1896; Thursday
Meeting of the Presidency and Apostles at the Temple at 11 A.M. Present: Presidents [Wilford] Woodruff, [George Q.] Cannon, [Joseph F.] Smith and [Lorenzo] Snow; Elders F[ranklin]. D. Richards, B[righam]. Young [Jr.], F[rancis]. M. Lyman, J[ohn]. H[enry]. Smith, G[eorge]. Teasdale, H[eber]. J. Grant, and J[Ohn]. W. Taylor. President Snow informed the Council that he had received a letter from Brother Moses Thatcher as follows:
Salt Lake City, Nov[ember]. 4, 1896.
Elder Lorenzo Snow, President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.
Dear Brother: --
While at Logan [Utah] last week I learned through a letter that Elder Franklin D. Richards had called at my home for the purpose of informing me that yourself and Quorum of Apostles desire to meet me, and you thought arrangements could be made
to meet in the Annex of the Temple, if I could name a date when I could be present. Appreciating this kindness, and desiring very much to meet again with my brethren that they might know the inmost feelings of my heart by personal contact with the spirit that possesses me, I at once sent word desiring that you would name a time and place of meeting so as to conform to your own and the convenience of the brethren rather than to that of my own. It was my intention to go north from Logan to see my brother who resides in Idaho, but on receiving no word as to when I could meet with you I returned to this city Thursday, a week ago tomorrow, and have daily expected to hear respecting a time when I could see the brethren once more together. No word having reached me respecting that matter, I adopt this means of respectfully asking you when such a meeting can be arranged. As early a reply as convenient will greatly oblige,
Your brother in the Gospel,
Moses Thatcher.
P.S. That delays may be avoided, I send this by Elder C[harles]. W. Penrose, who has kindly consented to deliver it promptly to you.
Yours,
M[oses]. T[hatcher].
It was decided that the Twelve would meet with Brother Thatcher at 2 P.M. on Thursday, at the Historian's Office, and that President Snow so inform him by letter.
The First Presidency, after the matter had been discussed that the Quorum of the Apostles had full authority and full sanction from the First Presidency, to deal with Brother Moses Thatcher as one of the Apostles, as the spirit of the Lord and the evidence before them shall justify.
President J[oseph]. F. Smith introduced the subject of fast meetings, suggesting that a change of the time from the first Thursday to the first Sunday in each month would probably be beneficial. This was endorsed by President Cannon, and after other brethren had spoken on the subject, it was decided that the Tabernacle services be dispensed with on the first Sunday of each month, and that the Saints in this City, as well as in the country wards, should have the privilege of meeting in their ward meeting houses at 2. o'clock P.M. to observe fast day. (1)
-- Nov 5, 1896
Meeting of the Presidency and Apostles at the Temple at 11 A.M. Present: Presidents [Wilford] Woodruff, [George Q.] Cannon, [Joseph F.] Smith and [Lorenzo] Snow; Elders F[ranklin]. D. Richards, B[righam]. Young [Jr.], F[rancis]. M. Lyman, J[ohn]. H[enry]. Smith, G[eorge]. Teasdale, H[eber]. J. Grant, and J[Ohn]. W. Taylor. President Snow informed the Council that he had received a letter from Brother Moses Thatcher as follows:
Salt Lake City, Nov[ember]. 4, 1896. Elder Lorenzo Snow, President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. Dear Brother: —
While at Logan [Utah] last week I learned through a letter that Elder Franklin D. Richards had called at my home for the purpose of informing me that yourself and Quorum of Apostles desire to meet me, and you thought arrangements could be made to meet in the Annex of the Temple, if I could name a date when I could be present. Appreciating this kindness, and desiring very much to meet again with my brethren that they might know the inmost feelings of my heart by personal contact with the spirit that possesses me, I at once sent word desiring that you would name a time and place of meeting so as to conform to your own and the convenience of the brethren rather than to that of my own. It was my intention to go north from Logan to see my brother who resides in Idaho, but on receiving no word as to when I could meet with you I returned to this city Thursday, a week ago tomorrow, and have daily expected to hear respecting a time when I could see the brethren once more together.
No word having reached me respecting that matter, I adopt this means of respectfully asking
you when such a meeting can be arranged. As early a reply as convenient will greatly oblige,
Your brother in the Gospel,
Moses Thatcher.
P.S. That delays may be avoided, I send this by Elder C[harles]. W. Penrose, who has kindly
consented to deliver it promptly to you.
Yours,
M[oses]. T[hatcher].
It was decided that the Twelve would meet with Brother Thatcher at 2 P.M. on Thursday, at the Historian's Office, and that President Snow so inform him by letter.
The First Presidency, after the matter had been discussed that the Quorum of the Apostles had full authority and full sanction from the First Presidency, to deal with Brother Moses Thatcher as one of the Apostles, as the spirit of the Lord and the evidence before them shall justify.
President J[oseph]. F. Smith introduced the subject of fast meetings, suggesting that a change of the time from the first Thursday to the first Sunday in each month would probably be beneficial. This was endorsed by President Cannon, and after other brethren had spoken on the subject, it was decided that the Tabernacle services be dispensed with on the first Sunday of each month, and that the Saints in this City, as well as in the country wards, should have the privilege of meeting in their ward meeting houses at 2. o'clock P.M. to observe fast day.
Decided to change Fast Day from the first Thursday, to First Sunday, in each month. It was [is] not known among us when where or by whom it was first instituted as a Day of Fasting.
Decided to name Monday Nov[ember] 9 at the Historian Office at 2 p.m. to meet with br[other]. M[oses]. Thatcher & see if he will be reconciled to his brethren. Apostles & First Presidency. (2)
Endnotes:
1 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
2 - Journal History; Franklin D. Richards, Diary
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
http://lds-church-history.blogspot.com/
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Meeting of the Presidency and Apostles at the Temple at 11 A.M. Present: Presidents [Wilford] Woodruff, [George Q.] Cannon, [Joseph F.] Smith and [Lorenzo] Snow; Elders F[ranklin]. D. Richards, B[righam]. Young [Jr.], F[rancis]. M. Lyman, J[ohn]. H[enry]. Smith, G[eorge]. Teasdale, H[eber]. J. Grant, and J[Ohn]. W. Taylor. President Snow informed the Council that he had received a letter from Brother Moses Thatcher as follows:
Salt Lake City, Nov[ember]. 4, 1896.
Elder Lorenzo Snow, President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.
Dear Brother: --
While at Logan [Utah] last week I learned through a letter that Elder Franklin D. Richards had called at my home for the purpose of informing me that yourself and Quorum of Apostles desire to meet me, and you thought arrangements could be made
to meet in the Annex of the Temple, if I could name a date when I could be present. Appreciating this kindness, and desiring very much to meet again with my brethren that they might know the inmost feelings of my heart by personal contact with the spirit that possesses me, I at once sent word desiring that you would name a time and place of meeting so as to conform to your own and the convenience of the brethren rather than to that of my own. It was my intention to go north from Logan to see my brother who resides in Idaho, but on receiving no word as to when I could meet with you I returned to this city Thursday, a week ago tomorrow, and have daily expected to hear respecting a time when I could see the brethren once more together. No word having reached me respecting that matter, I adopt this means of respectfully asking you when such a meeting can be arranged. As early a reply as convenient will greatly oblige,
Your brother in the Gospel,
Moses Thatcher.
P.S. That delays may be avoided, I send this by Elder C[harles]. W. Penrose, who has kindly consented to deliver it promptly to you.
Yours,
M[oses]. T[hatcher].
It was decided that the Twelve would meet with Brother Thatcher at 2 P.M. on Thursday, at the Historian's Office, and that President Snow so inform him by letter.
The First Presidency, after the matter had been discussed that the Quorum of the Apostles had full authority and full sanction from the First Presidency, to deal with Brother Moses Thatcher as one of the Apostles, as the spirit of the Lord and the evidence before them shall justify.
President J[oseph]. F. Smith introduced the subject of fast meetings, suggesting that a change of the time from the first Thursday to the first Sunday in each month would probably be beneficial. This was endorsed by President Cannon, and after other brethren had spoken on the subject, it was decided that the Tabernacle services be dispensed with on the first Sunday of each month, and that the Saints in this City, as well as in the country wards, should have the privilege of meeting in their ward meeting houses at 2. o'clock P.M. to observe fast day. (1)
-- Nov 5, 1896
Meeting of the Presidency and Apostles at the Temple at 11 A.M. Present: Presidents [Wilford] Woodruff, [George Q.] Cannon, [Joseph F.] Smith and [Lorenzo] Snow; Elders F[ranklin]. D. Richards, B[righam]. Young [Jr.], F[rancis]. M. Lyman, J[ohn]. H[enry]. Smith, G[eorge]. Teasdale, H[eber]. J. Grant, and J[Ohn]. W. Taylor. President Snow informed the Council that he had received a letter from Brother Moses Thatcher as follows:
Salt Lake City, Nov[ember]. 4, 1896. Elder Lorenzo Snow, President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. Dear Brother: —
While at Logan [Utah] last week I learned through a letter that Elder Franklin D. Richards had called at my home for the purpose of informing me that yourself and Quorum of Apostles desire to meet me, and you thought arrangements could be made to meet in the Annex of the Temple, if I could name a date when I could be present. Appreciating this kindness, and desiring very much to meet again with my brethren that they might know the inmost feelings of my heart by personal contact with the spirit that possesses me, I at once sent word desiring that you would name a time and place of meeting so as to conform to your own and the convenience of the brethren rather than to that of my own. It was my intention to go north from Logan to see my brother who resides in Idaho, but on receiving no word as to when I could meet with you I returned to this city Thursday, a week ago tomorrow, and have daily expected to hear respecting a time when I could see the brethren once more together.
No word having reached me respecting that matter, I adopt this means of respectfully asking
you when such a meeting can be arranged. As early a reply as convenient will greatly oblige,
Your brother in the Gospel,
Moses Thatcher.
P.S. That delays may be avoided, I send this by Elder C[harles]. W. Penrose, who has kindly
consented to deliver it promptly to you.
Yours,
M[oses]. T[hatcher].
It was decided that the Twelve would meet with Brother Thatcher at 2 P.M. on Thursday, at the Historian's Office, and that President Snow so inform him by letter.
The First Presidency, after the matter had been discussed that the Quorum of the Apostles had full authority and full sanction from the First Presidency, to deal with Brother Moses Thatcher as one of the Apostles, as the spirit of the Lord and the evidence before them shall justify.
President J[oseph]. F. Smith introduced the subject of fast meetings, suggesting that a change of the time from the first Thursday to the first Sunday in each month would probably be beneficial. This was endorsed by President Cannon, and after other brethren had spoken on the subject, it was decided that the Tabernacle services be dispensed with on the first Sunday of each month, and that the Saints in this City, as well as in the country wards, should have the privilege of meeting in their ward meeting houses at 2. o'clock P.M. to observe fast day.
Decided to change Fast Day from the first Thursday, to First Sunday, in each month. It was [is] not known among us when where or by whom it was first instituted as a Day of Fasting.
Decided to name Monday Nov[ember] 9 at the Historian Office at 2 p.m. to meet with br[other]. M[oses]. Thatcher & see if he will be reconciled to his brethren. Apostles & First Presidency. (2)
Endnotes:
1 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
2 - Journal History; Franklin D. Richards, Diary
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
http://lds-church-history.blogspot.com/
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Lorenzo Snow, Oct 29, 1896; Thursday
-- Oct 29, 1896; Thursday
Meeting of the Presidency and Apostles at the Temple at 11 A.M. Present: Presidents [Wilford] Woodruff, [George Q.] Cannon, [Joseph F.] Smith and [Lorenzo] Snow; Elders F[ranklin]. D. Richards, F[rancis]. M. Lyman, J[ohn]. H[enry]. Smith and H[eber]. J. Grant. Conference appointments were made, and in answer to inquiries, President Snow stated that he had sent the letter addressed to Brother Moses Thatcher to his home in this city by the hand of a messenger, but on learning that Brother Thatcher was in Logan [Utah], he had mailed the letter to him at that place. (1)
-- Oct 29, 1896
Meeting of the Presidency and Apostles at the Temple at 11 A.M. Present: Presidents [Wilford] Woodruff, [George Q.] Cannon, [Joseph F.] Smith and [Lorenzo] Snow; Elders F[ranklin]. D. Richards, F[rancis]. M. Lyman, J[ohn]. H[enry]. Smith and H[eber]. J. Grant. Conference appointments were made, and in answer to inquiries, President Snow stated that he had sent the letter addressed to Brother Moses Thatcher to his home in this city by the hand of a messenger, but on learning that Brother Thatcher was in Logan [Utah], he had mailed the letter to him at that place. Pres[iden]t L[orenzo]. Snow reported letter to M[oses]. Thatcher covering discourses of Oct[ober] 5 Gen[eral] Con[ference] his case & a verbal request from him for time & place of a meeting for him with the Apostles. (2)
-- Thursday, Nov 5, 1896
[Apostle John Henry Smith Diary] Salt Lake City
Presidents W. Woodruff, Geo. Q. Cannon, Lorenzo Snow, F. D. Richards, Brigham Young, F. M. Lyman, George Teasdale, Heber J. Grant, J. W. Taylor and myself met in Council. It was determined to meet Moses Thatcher at the Historian's office on Thursday next. (3)
-- 5 November 1896
[Birth of child] Birth of Child Rhea Lucile Snow (mother: Sarah Minnie Ephramina Jensen) [Note: One day in his eighty-second year he had a mysterious experience. While in the temple he heard a voice three nights in a row calling, "Papa! Papa! Papa!" It seemed incredible that another child should be born to him, but one year later his youngest wife, Minnie Jensen, gave birth to a little daughter, Lucille Snow Tracy. She lived until 1976, which was 162 years after her own father's birth.] (4)
Endnotes:
1 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
2 - Journal History; Franklin D. Richards, Diary
3 - Jean Bickmore White (editor), Church, State, and Politics: The Diaries of John Henry Smith, Signature Books in association with Smith Research Associates, Salt Lake City, 1990, http://bit.ly/johnhenrysmith
4 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenzo_Snow#Wives_and_children
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
http://lds-church-history.blogspot.com/
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Meeting of the Presidency and Apostles at the Temple at 11 A.M. Present: Presidents [Wilford] Woodruff, [George Q.] Cannon, [Joseph F.] Smith and [Lorenzo] Snow; Elders F[ranklin]. D. Richards, F[rancis]. M. Lyman, J[ohn]. H[enry]. Smith and H[eber]. J. Grant. Conference appointments were made, and in answer to inquiries, President Snow stated that he had sent the letter addressed to Brother Moses Thatcher to his home in this city by the hand of a messenger, but on learning that Brother Thatcher was in Logan [Utah], he had mailed the letter to him at that place. (1)
-- Oct 29, 1896
Meeting of the Presidency and Apostles at the Temple at 11 A.M. Present: Presidents [Wilford] Woodruff, [George Q.] Cannon, [Joseph F.] Smith and [Lorenzo] Snow; Elders F[ranklin]. D. Richards, F[rancis]. M. Lyman, J[ohn]. H[enry]. Smith and H[eber]. J. Grant. Conference appointments were made, and in answer to inquiries, President Snow stated that he had sent the letter addressed to Brother Moses Thatcher to his home in this city by the hand of a messenger, but on learning that Brother Thatcher was in Logan [Utah], he had mailed the letter to him at that place. Pres[iden]t L[orenzo]. Snow reported letter to M[oses]. Thatcher covering discourses of Oct[ober] 5 Gen[eral] Con[ference] his case & a verbal request from him for time & place of a meeting for him with the Apostles. (2)
-- Thursday, Nov 5, 1896
[Apostle John Henry Smith Diary] Salt Lake City
Presidents W. Woodruff, Geo. Q. Cannon, Lorenzo Snow, F. D. Richards, Brigham Young, F. M. Lyman, George Teasdale, Heber J. Grant, J. W. Taylor and myself met in Council. It was determined to meet Moses Thatcher at the Historian's office on Thursday next. (3)
-- 5 November 1896
[Birth of child] Birth of Child Rhea Lucile Snow (mother: Sarah Minnie Ephramina Jensen) [Note: One day in his eighty-second year he had a mysterious experience. While in the temple he heard a voice three nights in a row calling, "Papa! Papa! Papa!" It seemed incredible that another child should be born to him, but one year later his youngest wife, Minnie Jensen, gave birth to a little daughter, Lucille Snow Tracy. She lived until 1976, which was 162 years after her own father's birth.] (4)
Endnotes:
1 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
2 - Journal History; Franklin D. Richards, Diary
3 - Jean Bickmore White (editor), Church, State, and Politics: The Diaries of John Henry Smith, Signature Books in association with Smith Research Associates, Salt Lake City, 1990, http://bit.ly/johnhenrysmith
4 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenzo_Snow#Wives_and_children
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
http://lds-church-history.blogspot.com/
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Lorenzo Snow, Oct 22, 1896; Thursday
-- Oct 22, 1896; Thursday
The Presidency and Apostles met at the Temple at 11 A.M. Present: Presidents W[ilford]. Woodruff, G[eorge]. Q. Cannon, J[oseph]. F. Smith and L[orenzo]. Snow; Elders F[ranklin]. D. Richards, B[righam]. Young [Jr.], F[rancis]. M. Lyman, G[eorge]. Teasdale and H[eber]. J. Grant. President L[orenzo]. Snow informed the Council that a letter from Brother Moses Thatcher was handed to him last Monday by Moses Thatcher, Jun[ior]., three days after the date of which it was written. The following is the letter:
No. 101 West, North Temple St.,
Salt Lake City, Oct[ober]. 16, 1896.
Elder Lorenzo Snow, President of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints: --
Having in mind the utterances of my file leaders and others at the late Semi-annual conference respecting myself and the attitude in which I was placed towards the Church of Christ, and those in authority over me in the Holy Priesthood; and desiring to be, if possible, in harmony with the quorum over which you preside and with the First Presidency of the Church, I indeavored to meet with you and the brethren at their weekly gathering on Thursday, the 15th, but on appearing at the door of the Temple was denied admittance.
Later in the day I was furnished by the Secretary, George F. Gibbs, with a copy of the general "Notice" to the Latter Day Saints as published in the Deseret News of October 15th. This was the first notification received of the intended suspension of the functions of the Priesthood held by me. I was aware that my name had not been presented and sustained by the vote of the Saints assembled in Conference on April and October last, but no intimation had been given that such action deprived me of my priesthood or in any suspended its functions. Had I received an authoritative information that such was the intention or was in any sense thought to be desirable I would have, if possible, avoided occasion for complaint on that point. Now since I am denied the privilege of meeting your quorum for the purpose of explaining everything I humbly and respectfully ask you to furnish me in writing, conveying in specific detail the items of all charges of wrong-doing which my brethren may think proper or feel constrained to bring against me as objections to my longer continuance as an Apostle and fellow laborer with them in the cause and Church of the master, our Savior, to whom I also have dedicated all I have or may hereafter be. Until the remarks of the brethren delivered at the last General Conference, as they appeared published in the daily press of this city, apprised me of it, I did not know that the had held ought against or premeditated the planting of charges against me on any matter whatever other than that of my failure to endorse the "Declaration" issued last April, relating to political affairs past and present and future; and possibly complaining also respecting my political methods, words and works since the division of the people in Utah on national party lines. I had understood that my failure to see eye to eye with my brethren on those civil matters, and for not, on short notice, endorsing the declaration, causing the withholding of my name from the list of Apostles as presented to the Saints at the April Conference. The sacred and I believe holy bond of fellowship openly confessed and candidly proclaimed many times each to the other, during all the years of your Presidency over the twelve Apostles, and the sacred places and loving manner in which that bond of fellowship was, as I thought, cemented together, at least for all past and present times, if not for eternity, banished from my heart distress of every kind and naturally precluded apprehension, fear and thought of such darkness and ambition as that publicly proclaimed as having been the condition in which I had continued for a number of years. Under the newly revealed conditions, as stated at Conference, it may be seen how naturally and easily harmony might fail of its fullest fruition of confidence, hope and trustful love; for how could those in the light unite with one in the dark? Or how could one in the dark go to the light when not informed respecting his darkness. During all the years of later membership in the Church I have not been ignorant of the divine admonition that Lucifer would if possible deceive even the very elect of God; and I have also
endeavored to keep ever before my eyes, that other admonition: "Let him who thinks he standeth take heed lest he falleth". From that I thought I had learned how helpless I would be without the merciful aid of my brethren and the compassionate and loving kindness of the Holy One, while passing an existence filled with temptations and danger which ever seems to beset those attempting to walk in that straight and narrow way which so few find. It appears useless at this point, and is a waste to even allude to the love and labor of the past of valuable time, for those whose confidence and esteem I have tried hard to merit may be well trusted to remember that all that is necessary. For the light and for truth, and for justice as defined in the laws of God I have sacrificed some things and may be willing, when necessary, to sacrifice all things. While greatly improved in health I am not yet in a physical condition to endure a prolonged or severe strain of body or mind, and therefore trust that I shall be given a sufficient time in which to answer all charges which may be brought against me. As to anything I have said or done contrary to the commandments of God I hold myself bound under this law to answer or plead guilty whenever the charges are made specific and have sufficient time so that the exertion shall not again force me towards the grave, on the verge of which, as you know, I have so long lingered. My desire is to do right and to be united with my brethren and those who preside over me in all that will promote the glory of God and the salvation of men; for as I comprehend the lessons of history he who cannot be governed is utterly unfit to attempt government even in the family relation. Praying the Lord God of Israel to bless you, and expressing heartfelt gratitude to you for the considerate, humble and loving manner in which you have presided over your brethren of the Apostles, and trusting that you are not unwilling that I should still subscribe myself as your "Brother in the Gospel", I remain, as heretofore, devoted to the cause of righteousness, the cause of God.
Moses Thatcher.
Pres[iden]t. L. Snow expressed the opinion that the letter was written for publication, providing Brother Thatcher failed to obtain the fellowship of his brethren. Still Brother Snow felt that Brother Thatcher's bodily condition should be favorably considered, and that if he manifested the spirit of repentance to the satisfaction of his brethren, his case might be easily settled. He referred to the labors of Apostles with Brother Thatcher the night before the dedication of the Temple, who worked with him till about 2 o'clock in the morning. Brother Snow expressed astonishment that a man claiming to be an Apostle, giving as a reason why he should be admitted to the Temple, that he had paid about $3,000 towards its erection. On that kind of reasoning Mr. A[lfred]. W. McCune, who though a non-member, had paid $5000 towards its completion, might consistently ask that the doors of the Temple be opened to him. Brother Snow could not see how the Apostles could fellowship Brother Thatcher except through his humility and repentance, and that Brother Thatcher should be
required to meet with his quorum as soon as his physical condition would warrant, and also that he make personal satisfaction with Presidents Geo[rge]. Q. Cannon and Jos[eph]. F. Smith.
President Cannon said he would not require any man to ask his forgiveness, whatever Brother Thatcher might feel desirous of doing, would be a matter personal with him. Pres[iden]t. Cannon said he had prayed fervently to the Lord that Brother Thatcher's anger might be turned from him; he believed the Lord had heard his prayer. He had no ill feelings towards Brother Thatcher, but felt sure that if Brother Thatcher had claimed the fellowship of his quorum, he also could extend the hand of fellowship to him. He did not wish that his name should be connected with the matter of Brother Thatcher's standing as an Apostle, but if Brother Thatcher felt to come with honesty in his heart to make things right he would appreciate it. The attack made upon him when in prison was very bitter, and articles had appeared since in the Logan Journal, the editor of which acted as champion to Brother Thatcher, and if it was not true that Brother Thatcher was personally interested in that paper, still if he had not believed the things stated in its columns, he ought to have made that known, and he felt that it was due to his fellow Apostles that Brother Thatcher should correct what had been said concerning himself. The only specific charge however against Brother Thatcher as he views it, would be that he had not the spirit of his Apostleship.
President Woodruff said the spirit manifested by Brother Thatcher towards Brother Cannon immediately after the death of President [John]Taylor, was the spirit of an enemy, and he doubted very much that Brother Thatcher had ever succeeded in ridding himself of it.
President J[oseph]. F. Smith thought there was nothing in the letter read that spoke of genuine humility or showed that Brother Thatcher senses his true position. Brother Thatcher would have to understand that he is absolutely suspended, and that nothing but the spirit of true repentance and genuine humility could restore him. If he could get that spirit sufficiently to approach President Snow and his fellow Apostles to learn what he should do, he, President Smith, felt he could join with his brethren to help him, otherwise he could not.
Elder F[rancis]. M. Lyman thought that when Brother Thatcher got the spirit of the Apostleship, he would know himself that he had not been on the right track; that he had set himself up to be a law unto himself; that he had not been one with his brethren and the Presidency, and that his course has tended to bring the authorities of the Church into disrepute. Brother Lyman believed that Brother Thatcher's sickness was partly due to his disregard to the Word of Wisdom, and the record of his scant attendance at the meetings of this council showed that he had lost the spirit of his Apostleship.
President Woodruff said he couldn't see the least particle of light under heaven which encouraged him to believe that Brother Thatcher could ever again be united with this council, nor did he believe that the desire in him was to do so.
Elder B[righam]. Young expressed his feelings to the effect that nothing Brother Thatcher could do would avail with the
brethren of the Council unless through repentance and humility. He must manifest a broken heart and contrite spirit before he could take him by the hand and welcome him as an Apostle.
Elder G[eorge]. Teasdale referred to the advice given to Brother Thatcher by Pres[iden]t. Snow on a former occasion to go to the First Presidency and make everything right with them. This he had not done, but he had associated with men who were filled with the spirit of evil, and the speaker believed that Brother Thatcher would apostatize if he did not thoroughly repent and obtain the forgiveness of the Lord and his brethren.
President Woodruff here remarked that Brother Thatcher would not have to move very far from where he now is in order to apostatize. He did not wish to prophecy evil concerning any man, but his feelings were that the members of this council would all be in the spirit world before they saw Brother Moses united with them. He would be glad of course to have Brother Moses regain his fellowship, but he had seen so much in his experience of the kind of spirit that Brother Moses is possessed of, that he was almost without hope of a change, as he knew the danger of it.
Elder H[eber]. J. Grant felt that Brother Thatcher should be brought to task for what he had done in helping to break up the solemn agreement and covenant entered into by President John Taylor and others, resulting in what was known as the "dedicated stock" of the Bullion-Beck Company; that Brother Moses should have helped to preserve that stock to the Church, instead of demanding that which he claimed as his own, thereby setting an example for others to do likewise, resulting in loss to the Church of perhaps one million dollars.
Elder F[ranklin]. D. Richards who spoke previously to Brother Grant, suggested that a copy of the Deseret News containing the full report of the remarks of the brethren made at the General Conference, concerning Brother Thatcher, be sent to him, with an answer to his communication. Brother Richards thought that when an appointment should be made to meet with Brother Thatcher it would be better for the quorum to meet in the Annex of the Temple.
It was decided that the following letter should be sent, and that any appointment of the quorum with Brother Thatcher should be made at his own request:
Salt Lake City, Oct[ober]. 23, 1896.
Elder Moses Thatcher, City.
Dear Brother: --
Your communication of the 16th inst., was received by me on the 19th, and its contents carefully noted. Since the writing of your letter the full stenographic report of the remarks of the brethren made at our late general conference has been published in the Deseret News, in which their feelings concerning you are quite freely expressed; and you not having read these published remarks prior to the writing of your communication, I take it for granted that it will not be necessary for me to explain or answer further. With kindest regards, Your Brother,
Lorenzo Snow.
By request of Pres[iden]t. Jos[eph]. F. Smith, Bro[ther]. Nephi L. Morris was added to the list of Aids to the General
Sup[erintenden]t. Y.M.M.I.A.
Before the Council separated, President Woodruff exhorted the brethren not to slacken their endeavors both in faith and works in behalf of Brother Moses Thatcher, for notwithstanding what he had expressed of his personal feelings as to the prospects, he hoped the Apostles would do all they could consistently to help Brother Thatcher. (1)
-- Oct 22, 1896
The Presidency and Apostles met at the Temple at 11 A.M. Present: Presidents W[ilford]. Woodruff, G[eorge]. Q. Cannon, J[oseph]. F. Smith and L[orenzo]. Snow; Elders F[ranklin]. D. Richards, B[righam]. Young [Jr.], F[rancis]. M. Lyman, G[eorge]. Teasdale and H[eber]. J. Grant. President L[orenzo]. Snow informed the Council that a letter from Brother Moses Thatcher was handed to him last Monday by Moses Thatcher, Jun[ior]., three days after the date of which it was written. The following is the letter:
No. 101 West, North Temple St.,
Salt Lake City, Oct[ober]. 16, 1896. Elder Lorenzo Snow, President of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints: —
Having in mind the utterances of my file leaders and others at the late Semi-annual conference respecting myself and the attitude in which I was placed towards the Church of Christ, and those in authority over me in the Holy Priesthood; and desiring to be, if possible, in harmony with the quorum over which you preside and with the First Presidency of the Church, I indeavored to meet with you and the brethren at their weekly gathering on Thursday, the 15th, but on appearing at the door of the Temple was denied admittance. Later in the day I was furnished by the Secretary, George F. Gibbs, with a copy of the general "Notice" to the Latter Day Saints as published in the Deseret News of October 15th. This was the first notification received of the intended suspension of the functions of the Priesthood held by me. I was aware that my name had not been presented and sustained by the vote of the Saints assembled in Conference on April and October last, but no intimation had been given that such action deprived me of my priesthood or in any suspended its functions. Had I received an authoritative information that such was the intention or was in any sense thought to be desirable I would have, if possible, avoided occasion for complaint on that point. Now since I am denied the privilege of meeting your quorum for the purpose of explaining everything I humbly and respectfully ask you to furnish me in writing, conveying in specific detail the items of all charges of wrong-doing which my brethren may think proper or feel constrained to bring against me as objections to my longer continuance as an Apostle and fellow laborer with them in the cause and Church of the master, our Savior, to whom I also have dedicated all I have or may hereafter be. Until the remarks of the brethren delivered at the last General Conference, as they appeared published in the daily press of this city, apprised me of it, I did not know that the had held ought against or premeditated the planting of charges against me on any matter whatever other than that of my failure to endorse the "Declaration" issued last April, relating to political affairs past and present and future; and possibly complaining also respecting my political methods, words and works since the division of the people in Utah on national party lines. I had understood that my failure to see eye to eye with my brethren on those civil matters, and for not, on short notice, endorsing the declaration, causing the withholding of my name from the list of Apostles as presented to the Saints at the April Conference. The sacred and I believe holy bond of fellowship openly confessed and candidly proclaimed many times each to the other, during all the years of your Presidency over the twelve Apostles, and the sacred places and loving manner in which that bond of fellowship was, as I thought, cemented together, at least for all past and present times, if not for eternity, banished from my heart distress of every kind and naturally precluded apprehension, fear and thought of such darkness and ambition as that publicly proclaimed as having been the condition in which I had continued for a number of years. Under the newly revealed conditions, as stated at Conference, it may be seen how naturally and easily harmony might fail of its fullest fruition of confidence, hope and trustful love; for how could those in the light unite with one in the dark? Or how could one in the
dark go to the light when not informed respecting his darkness. During all the years of later
membership in the Church I have not been ignorant of the divine admonition that Lucifer
would if possible deceive even the very elect of God; and I have also endeavored to keep
ever before my eyes, that other admonition: "Let him who thinks he standeth take heed lest
he falleth". From that I thought I had learned how helpless I would be without the merciful
aid of my brethren and the compassionate and loving kindness of the Holy One, while
passing an existence filled with temptations and danger which ever seems to beset those
attempting to walk in that straight and narrow way which so few find. It appears useless at
this point, and is a waste to even allude to the love and labor of the past of valuable time, for
those whose confidence and esteem I have tried hard to merit may be well trusted to
remember that all that is necessary. For the light and for truth, and for justice as defined in
the laws of God I have sacrificed some things and may be willing, when necessary, to
sacrifice all things. While greatly improved in health I am not yet in a physical condition to
endure a prolonged or severe strain of body or mind, and therefore trust that I shall be given a
sufficient time in which to answer all charges which may be brought against me. As to
anything I have said or done contrary to the commandments of God I hold myself bound
under this law to answer or plead guilty whenever the charges are made specific and have
sufficient time so that the exertion shall not again force me towards the grave, on the verge of
which, as you know, I have so long lingered. My desire is to do right and to be united with
my brethren and those who preside over me in all that will promote the glory of God and the
salvation of men; for as I comprehend the lessons of history he who cannot be governed is
utterly unfit to attempt government even in the family relation. Praying the Lord God of
Israel to bless you, and expressing heartfelt gratitude to you for the considerate, humble and
loving manner in which you have presided over your brethren of the Apostles, and trusting
that you are not unwilling that I should still subscribe myself as your "Brother in the Gospel",
I remain, as heretofore, devoted to the cause of righteousness, the cause of God.
Moses Thatcher.
Pres[iden]t. L. Snow expressed the opinion that the letter was written for publication, providing Brother Thatcher failed to obtain the fellowship of his brethren. Still Brother Snow felt that Brother Thatcher's bodily condition should be favorably considered, and that if he manifested the spirit of repentance to the satisfaction of his brethren, his case might be easily settled. He referred to the labors of Apostles with Brother Thatcher the night before the dedication of the Temple, who worked with him till about 2 o'clock in the morning. Brother Snow expressed astonishment that a man claiming to be an Apostle, giving as a reason why he should be admitted to the Temple, that he had paid about $3,000 towards its erection. On that kind of reasoning Mr. A[lfred]. W. McCune, who though a non-member, had paid $5000 towards its completion, might consistently ask that the doors of the Temple be opened to him. Brother Snow could not see how the Apostles could fellowship Brother Thatcher except through his humility and repentance, and that Brother Thatcher should be required to meet with his quorum as soon as his physical condition would warrant, and also that he make personal satisfaction with Presidents Geo[rge]. Q. Cannon and Jos[eph]. F. Smith.
President Cannon said he would not require any man to ask his forgiveness, whatever Brother Thatcher might feel desirous of doing, would be a matter personal with him. Pres[iden]t. Cannon said he had prayed fervently to the Lord that Brother Thatcher's anger might be turned from him; he believed the Lord had heard his prayer. He had no ill feelings towards Brother Thatcher, but felt sure that if Brother Thatcher had claimed the fellowship of his quorum, he also could extend the hand of fellowship to him. He did not wish that his name should be connected with the matter of Brother Thatcher's standing as an Apostle, but if Brother Thatcher felt to come with honesty in his heart to make things right he would appreciate it. The attack made upon him when in prison was very bitter, and articles had appeared since in the Logan Journal, the editor of which acted as champion to Brother Thatcher, and if it was not true that Brother Thatcher was personally interested in that paper, still if he had not believed the things stated in its columns, he ought to have made that known, and he felt that it was due to his fellow Apostles that Brother Thatcher should correct what had been said concerning himself. The only specific charge however against Brother Thatcher as he views it, would be that he had not the spirit of his Apostleship.
President Woodruff said the spirit manifested by Brother Thatcher towards Brother Cannon immediately after the death of President [John] Taylor, was the spirit of an enemy, and he doubted very much that Brother Thatcher had ever succeeded in ridding himself of it.
President J[oseph]. F. Smith thought there was nothing in the letter read that spoke of genuine humility or showed that Brother Thatcher senses his true position. Brother Thatcher would have to understand that he is absolutely suspended, and that nothing but the spirit of true repentance and genuine humility could restore him. If he could get that spirit sufficiently to approach President Snow and his fellow Apostles to learn what he should do, he, President Smith, felt he could join with his brethren to help him, otherwise he could not.
Elder F[rancis]. M. Lyman thought that when Brother Thatcher got the spirit of the Apostleship, he would know himself that he had not been on the right track; that he had set himself up to be a law unto himself; that he had not been one with his brethren and the Presidency, and that his course has tended to bring the authorities of the Church into disrepute. Brother Lyman believed that Brother Thatcher's sickness was partly due to his disregard to the Word of Wisdom, and the record of his scant attendance at the meetings of this council showed that he had lost the spirit of his Apostleship.
President Woodruff said he couldn't see the least particle of light under heaven which encouraged him to believe that Brother Thatcher could ever again be united with this council, nor did he believe that the desire in him was to do so.
Elder B[righam]. Young expressed his feelings to the effect that nothing Brother Thatcher could do would avail with the brethren of the Council unless through repentance and humility. He must manifest a broken heart and contrite spirit before he could take him by the hand and welcome him as an Apostle.
Elder G[eorge]. Teasdale referred to the advice given to Brother Thatcher by Pres[iden]t. Snow on a former occasion to go to the First Presidency and make everything right with them. This he had not done, but he had associated with men who were filled with the spirit of evil, and the speaker believed that Brother Thatcher would apostatize if he did not thoroughly repent and obtain the forgiveness of the Lord and his brethren.
President Woodruff here remarked that Brother Thatcher would not have to move very far from where he now is in order to apostatize. He did not wish to prophecy evil concerning any man, but his feelings were that the members of this council would all be in the spirit world before they saw Brother Moses united with them. He would be glad of course to have Brother Moses regain his fellowship, but he had seen so much in his experience of the kind of spirit that Brother Moses is possessed of, that he was almost without hope of a change, as he knew the danger of it.
Elder H[eber]. J. Grant felt that Brother Thatcher should be brought to task for what he had done in helping to break up the solemn agreement and covenant entered into by President John Taylor and others, resulting in what was known as the "dedicated stock" of the Bullion-Beck Company; that Brother Moses should have helped to preserve that stock to the Church, instead of demanding that which he claimed as his own, thereby setting an example for others to do likewise, resulting in loss to the Church of perhaps one million dollars.
Elder F[ranklin]. D. Richards who spoke previously to Brother Grant, suggested that a copy of the Deseret News containing the full report of the remarks of the brethren made at the General Conference, concerning Brother Thatcher, be sent to him, with an answer to his communication. Brother Richards thought that when an appointment should be made to meet with Brother Thatcher it would be better for the quorum to meet in the Annex of the Temple.
It was decided that the following letter should be sent, and that any appointment of the quorum with Brother Thatcher should be made at his own request:
Salt Lake City, Oct[ober]. 23, 1896.
Elder Moses Thatcher, City.
Dear Brother: —
Your communication of the 16th inst., was received by me on the 19th, and its
contents carefully noted. Since the writing of your letter the full stenographic report of the
remarks of the brethren made at our late general conference has been published in the Deseret
News, in which their feelings concerning you are quite freely expressed; and you not having
read these published remarks prior to the writing of your communication, I take it for granted
that it will not be necessary for me to explain or answer further. With kindest regards, Your
Brother,
Lorenzo Snow.
By request of Pres[iden]t. Jos[eph]. F. Smith, Bro[ther]. Nephi L. Morris was added to the list of Aids to the General Sup[erintenden]t. Y[oung]. Men's]. M[utual]. I[mprovement]. A[ssociation].
Before the Council separated, President Woodruff exhorted the brethren not to slacken their endeavors both in faith and works in behalf of Brother Moses Thatcher, for notwithstanding what he had expressed of his personal feelings as to the prospects, he hoped the Apostles would do all they could consistently to help Brother Thatcher.
Met council in Temple. Pres[iden]t Snow rec[eive]d letter from Moses Thatcher. not humble asks specific charges sent him remarks of Pres[iden]t and 12 on his case made during Conference; his letter was dated prior to those remarks being published. 16th I think. (2)
Endnotes:
1 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
2 - Journal History; Brigham Young Jr., Diary
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
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The Presidency and Apostles met at the Temple at 11 A.M. Present: Presidents W[ilford]. Woodruff, G[eorge]. Q. Cannon, J[oseph]. F. Smith and L[orenzo]. Snow; Elders F[ranklin]. D. Richards, B[righam]. Young [Jr.], F[rancis]. M. Lyman, G[eorge]. Teasdale and H[eber]. J. Grant. President L[orenzo]. Snow informed the Council that a letter from Brother Moses Thatcher was handed to him last Monday by Moses Thatcher, Jun[ior]., three days after the date of which it was written. The following is the letter:
No. 101 West, North Temple St.,
Salt Lake City, Oct[ober]. 16, 1896.
Elder Lorenzo Snow, President of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints: --
Having in mind the utterances of my file leaders and others at the late Semi-annual conference respecting myself and the attitude in which I was placed towards the Church of Christ, and those in authority over me in the Holy Priesthood; and desiring to be, if possible, in harmony with the quorum over which you preside and with the First Presidency of the Church, I indeavored to meet with you and the brethren at their weekly gathering on Thursday, the 15th, but on appearing at the door of the Temple was denied admittance.
Later in the day I was furnished by the Secretary, George F. Gibbs, with a copy of the general "Notice" to the Latter Day Saints as published in the Deseret News of October 15th. This was the first notification received of the intended suspension of the functions of the Priesthood held by me. I was aware that my name had not been presented and sustained by the vote of the Saints assembled in Conference on April and October last, but no intimation had been given that such action deprived me of my priesthood or in any suspended its functions. Had I received an authoritative information that such was the intention or was in any sense thought to be desirable I would have, if possible, avoided occasion for complaint on that point. Now since I am denied the privilege of meeting your quorum for the purpose of explaining everything I humbly and respectfully ask you to furnish me in writing, conveying in specific detail the items of all charges of wrong-doing which my brethren may think proper or feel constrained to bring against me as objections to my longer continuance as an Apostle and fellow laborer with them in the cause and Church of the master, our Savior, to whom I also have dedicated all I have or may hereafter be. Until the remarks of the brethren delivered at the last General Conference, as they appeared published in the daily press of this city, apprised me of it, I did not know that the had held ought against or premeditated the planting of charges against me on any matter whatever other than that of my failure to endorse the "Declaration" issued last April, relating to political affairs past and present and future; and possibly complaining also respecting my political methods, words and works since the division of the people in Utah on national party lines. I had understood that my failure to see eye to eye with my brethren on those civil matters, and for not, on short notice, endorsing the declaration, causing the withholding of my name from the list of Apostles as presented to the Saints at the April Conference. The sacred and I believe holy bond of fellowship openly confessed and candidly proclaimed many times each to the other, during all the years of your Presidency over the twelve Apostles, and the sacred places and loving manner in which that bond of fellowship was, as I thought, cemented together, at least for all past and present times, if not for eternity, banished from my heart distress of every kind and naturally precluded apprehension, fear and thought of such darkness and ambition as that publicly proclaimed as having been the condition in which I had continued for a number of years. Under the newly revealed conditions, as stated at Conference, it may be seen how naturally and easily harmony might fail of its fullest fruition of confidence, hope and trustful love; for how could those in the light unite with one in the dark? Or how could one in the dark go to the light when not informed respecting his darkness. During all the years of later membership in the Church I have not been ignorant of the divine admonition that Lucifer would if possible deceive even the very elect of God; and I have also
endeavored to keep ever before my eyes, that other admonition: "Let him who thinks he standeth take heed lest he falleth". From that I thought I had learned how helpless I would be without the merciful aid of my brethren and the compassionate and loving kindness of the Holy One, while passing an existence filled with temptations and danger which ever seems to beset those attempting to walk in that straight and narrow way which so few find. It appears useless at this point, and is a waste to even allude to the love and labor of the past of valuable time, for those whose confidence and esteem I have tried hard to merit may be well trusted to remember that all that is necessary. For the light and for truth, and for justice as defined in the laws of God I have sacrificed some things and may be willing, when necessary, to sacrifice all things. While greatly improved in health I am not yet in a physical condition to endure a prolonged or severe strain of body or mind, and therefore trust that I shall be given a sufficient time in which to answer all charges which may be brought against me. As to anything I have said or done contrary to the commandments of God I hold myself bound under this law to answer or plead guilty whenever the charges are made specific and have sufficient time so that the exertion shall not again force me towards the grave, on the verge of which, as you know, I have so long lingered. My desire is to do right and to be united with my brethren and those who preside over me in all that will promote the glory of God and the salvation of men; for as I comprehend the lessons of history he who cannot be governed is utterly unfit to attempt government even in the family relation. Praying the Lord God of Israel to bless you, and expressing heartfelt gratitude to you for the considerate, humble and loving manner in which you have presided over your brethren of the Apostles, and trusting that you are not unwilling that I should still subscribe myself as your "Brother in the Gospel", I remain, as heretofore, devoted to the cause of righteousness, the cause of God.
Moses Thatcher.
Pres[iden]t. L. Snow expressed the opinion that the letter was written for publication, providing Brother Thatcher failed to obtain the fellowship of his brethren. Still Brother Snow felt that Brother Thatcher's bodily condition should be favorably considered, and that if he manifested the spirit of repentance to the satisfaction of his brethren, his case might be easily settled. He referred to the labors of Apostles with Brother Thatcher the night before the dedication of the Temple, who worked with him till about 2 o'clock in the morning. Brother Snow expressed astonishment that a man claiming to be an Apostle, giving as a reason why he should be admitted to the Temple, that he had paid about $3,000 towards its erection. On that kind of reasoning Mr. A[lfred]. W. McCune, who though a non-member, had paid $5000 towards its completion, might consistently ask that the doors of the Temple be opened to him. Brother Snow could not see how the Apostles could fellowship Brother Thatcher except through his humility and repentance, and that Brother Thatcher should be
required to meet with his quorum as soon as his physical condition would warrant, and also that he make personal satisfaction with Presidents Geo[rge]. Q. Cannon and Jos[eph]. F. Smith.
President Cannon said he would not require any man to ask his forgiveness, whatever Brother Thatcher might feel desirous of doing, would be a matter personal with him. Pres[iden]t. Cannon said he had prayed fervently to the Lord that Brother Thatcher's anger might be turned from him; he believed the Lord had heard his prayer. He had no ill feelings towards Brother Thatcher, but felt sure that if Brother Thatcher had claimed the fellowship of his quorum, he also could extend the hand of fellowship to him. He did not wish that his name should be connected with the matter of Brother Thatcher's standing as an Apostle, but if Brother Thatcher felt to come with honesty in his heart to make things right he would appreciate it. The attack made upon him when in prison was very bitter, and articles had appeared since in the Logan Journal, the editor of which acted as champion to Brother Thatcher, and if it was not true that Brother Thatcher was personally interested in that paper, still if he had not believed the things stated in its columns, he ought to have made that known, and he felt that it was due to his fellow Apostles that Brother Thatcher should correct what had been said concerning himself. The only specific charge however against Brother Thatcher as he views it, would be that he had not the spirit of his Apostleship.
President Woodruff said the spirit manifested by Brother Thatcher towards Brother Cannon immediately after the death of President [John]Taylor, was the spirit of an enemy, and he doubted very much that Brother Thatcher had ever succeeded in ridding himself of it.
President J[oseph]. F. Smith thought there was nothing in the letter read that spoke of genuine humility or showed that Brother Thatcher senses his true position. Brother Thatcher would have to understand that he is absolutely suspended, and that nothing but the spirit of true repentance and genuine humility could restore him. If he could get that spirit sufficiently to approach President Snow and his fellow Apostles to learn what he should do, he, President Smith, felt he could join with his brethren to help him, otherwise he could not.
Elder F[rancis]. M. Lyman thought that when Brother Thatcher got the spirit of the Apostleship, he would know himself that he had not been on the right track; that he had set himself up to be a law unto himself; that he had not been one with his brethren and the Presidency, and that his course has tended to bring the authorities of the Church into disrepute. Brother Lyman believed that Brother Thatcher's sickness was partly due to his disregard to the Word of Wisdom, and the record of his scant attendance at the meetings of this council showed that he had lost the spirit of his Apostleship.
President Woodruff said he couldn't see the least particle of light under heaven which encouraged him to believe that Brother Thatcher could ever again be united with this council, nor did he believe that the desire in him was to do so.
Elder B[righam]. Young expressed his feelings to the effect that nothing Brother Thatcher could do would avail with the
brethren of the Council unless through repentance and humility. He must manifest a broken heart and contrite spirit before he could take him by the hand and welcome him as an Apostle.
Elder G[eorge]. Teasdale referred to the advice given to Brother Thatcher by Pres[iden]t. Snow on a former occasion to go to the First Presidency and make everything right with them. This he had not done, but he had associated with men who were filled with the spirit of evil, and the speaker believed that Brother Thatcher would apostatize if he did not thoroughly repent and obtain the forgiveness of the Lord and his brethren.
President Woodruff here remarked that Brother Thatcher would not have to move very far from where he now is in order to apostatize. He did not wish to prophecy evil concerning any man, but his feelings were that the members of this council would all be in the spirit world before they saw Brother Moses united with them. He would be glad of course to have Brother Moses regain his fellowship, but he had seen so much in his experience of the kind of spirit that Brother Moses is possessed of, that he was almost without hope of a change, as he knew the danger of it.
Elder H[eber]. J. Grant felt that Brother Thatcher should be brought to task for what he had done in helping to break up the solemn agreement and covenant entered into by President John Taylor and others, resulting in what was known as the "dedicated stock" of the Bullion-Beck Company; that Brother Moses should have helped to preserve that stock to the Church, instead of demanding that which he claimed as his own, thereby setting an example for others to do likewise, resulting in loss to the Church of perhaps one million dollars.
Elder F[ranklin]. D. Richards who spoke previously to Brother Grant, suggested that a copy of the Deseret News containing the full report of the remarks of the brethren made at the General Conference, concerning Brother Thatcher, be sent to him, with an answer to his communication. Brother Richards thought that when an appointment should be made to meet with Brother Thatcher it would be better for the quorum to meet in the Annex of the Temple.
It was decided that the following letter should be sent, and that any appointment of the quorum with Brother Thatcher should be made at his own request:
Salt Lake City, Oct[ober]. 23, 1896.
Elder Moses Thatcher, City.
Dear Brother: --
Your communication of the 16th inst., was received by me on the 19th, and its contents carefully noted. Since the writing of your letter the full stenographic report of the remarks of the brethren made at our late general conference has been published in the Deseret News, in which their feelings concerning you are quite freely expressed; and you not having read these published remarks prior to the writing of your communication, I take it for granted that it will not be necessary for me to explain or answer further. With kindest regards, Your Brother,
Lorenzo Snow.
By request of Pres[iden]t. Jos[eph]. F. Smith, Bro[ther]. Nephi L. Morris was added to the list of Aids to the General
Sup[erintenden]t. Y.M.M.I.A.
Before the Council separated, President Woodruff exhorted the brethren not to slacken their endeavors both in faith and works in behalf of Brother Moses Thatcher, for notwithstanding what he had expressed of his personal feelings as to the prospects, he hoped the Apostles would do all they could consistently to help Brother Thatcher. (1)
-- Oct 22, 1896
The Presidency and Apostles met at the Temple at 11 A.M. Present: Presidents W[ilford]. Woodruff, G[eorge]. Q. Cannon, J[oseph]. F. Smith and L[orenzo]. Snow; Elders F[ranklin]. D. Richards, B[righam]. Young [Jr.], F[rancis]. M. Lyman, G[eorge]. Teasdale and H[eber]. J. Grant. President L[orenzo]. Snow informed the Council that a letter from Brother Moses Thatcher was handed to him last Monday by Moses Thatcher, Jun[ior]., three days after the date of which it was written. The following is the letter:
No. 101 West, North Temple St.,
Salt Lake City, Oct[ober]. 16, 1896. Elder Lorenzo Snow, President of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints: —
Having in mind the utterances of my file leaders and others at the late Semi-annual conference respecting myself and the attitude in which I was placed towards the Church of Christ, and those in authority over me in the Holy Priesthood; and desiring to be, if possible, in harmony with the quorum over which you preside and with the First Presidency of the Church, I indeavored to meet with you and the brethren at their weekly gathering on Thursday, the 15th, but on appearing at the door of the Temple was denied admittance. Later in the day I was furnished by the Secretary, George F. Gibbs, with a copy of the general "Notice" to the Latter Day Saints as published in the Deseret News of October 15th. This was the first notification received of the intended suspension of the functions of the Priesthood held by me. I was aware that my name had not been presented and sustained by the vote of the Saints assembled in Conference on April and October last, but no intimation had been given that such action deprived me of my priesthood or in any suspended its functions. Had I received an authoritative information that such was the intention or was in any sense thought to be desirable I would have, if possible, avoided occasion for complaint on that point. Now since I am denied the privilege of meeting your quorum for the purpose of explaining everything I humbly and respectfully ask you to furnish me in writing, conveying in specific detail the items of all charges of wrong-doing which my brethren may think proper or feel constrained to bring against me as objections to my longer continuance as an Apostle and fellow laborer with them in the cause and Church of the master, our Savior, to whom I also have dedicated all I have or may hereafter be. Until the remarks of the brethren delivered at the last General Conference, as they appeared published in the daily press of this city, apprised me of it, I did not know that the had held ought against or premeditated the planting of charges against me on any matter whatever other than that of my failure to endorse the "Declaration" issued last April, relating to political affairs past and present and future; and possibly complaining also respecting my political methods, words and works since the division of the people in Utah on national party lines. I had understood that my failure to see eye to eye with my brethren on those civil matters, and for not, on short notice, endorsing the declaration, causing the withholding of my name from the list of Apostles as presented to the Saints at the April Conference. The sacred and I believe holy bond of fellowship openly confessed and candidly proclaimed many times each to the other, during all the years of your Presidency over the twelve Apostles, and the sacred places and loving manner in which that bond of fellowship was, as I thought, cemented together, at least for all past and present times, if not for eternity, banished from my heart distress of every kind and naturally precluded apprehension, fear and thought of such darkness and ambition as that publicly proclaimed as having been the condition in which I had continued for a number of years. Under the newly revealed conditions, as stated at Conference, it may be seen how naturally and easily harmony might fail of its fullest fruition of confidence, hope and trustful love; for how could those in the light unite with one in the dark? Or how could one in the
dark go to the light when not informed respecting his darkness. During all the years of later
membership in the Church I have not been ignorant of the divine admonition that Lucifer
would if possible deceive even the very elect of God; and I have also endeavored to keep
ever before my eyes, that other admonition: "Let him who thinks he standeth take heed lest
he falleth". From that I thought I had learned how helpless I would be without the merciful
aid of my brethren and the compassionate and loving kindness of the Holy One, while
passing an existence filled with temptations and danger which ever seems to beset those
attempting to walk in that straight and narrow way which so few find. It appears useless at
this point, and is a waste to even allude to the love and labor of the past of valuable time, for
those whose confidence and esteem I have tried hard to merit may be well trusted to
remember that all that is necessary. For the light and for truth, and for justice as defined in
the laws of God I have sacrificed some things and may be willing, when necessary, to
sacrifice all things. While greatly improved in health I am not yet in a physical condition to
endure a prolonged or severe strain of body or mind, and therefore trust that I shall be given a
sufficient time in which to answer all charges which may be brought against me. As to
anything I have said or done contrary to the commandments of God I hold myself bound
under this law to answer or plead guilty whenever the charges are made specific and have
sufficient time so that the exertion shall not again force me towards the grave, on the verge of
which, as you know, I have so long lingered. My desire is to do right and to be united with
my brethren and those who preside over me in all that will promote the glory of God and the
salvation of men; for as I comprehend the lessons of history he who cannot be governed is
utterly unfit to attempt government even in the family relation. Praying the Lord God of
Israel to bless you, and expressing heartfelt gratitude to you for the considerate, humble and
loving manner in which you have presided over your brethren of the Apostles, and trusting
that you are not unwilling that I should still subscribe myself as your "Brother in the Gospel",
I remain, as heretofore, devoted to the cause of righteousness, the cause of God.
Moses Thatcher.
Pres[iden]t. L. Snow expressed the opinion that the letter was written for publication, providing Brother Thatcher failed to obtain the fellowship of his brethren. Still Brother Snow felt that Brother Thatcher's bodily condition should be favorably considered, and that if he manifested the spirit of repentance to the satisfaction of his brethren, his case might be easily settled. He referred to the labors of Apostles with Brother Thatcher the night before the dedication of the Temple, who worked with him till about 2 o'clock in the morning. Brother Snow expressed astonishment that a man claiming to be an Apostle, giving as a reason why he should be admitted to the Temple, that he had paid about $3,000 towards its erection. On that kind of reasoning Mr. A[lfred]. W. McCune, who though a non-member, had paid $5000 towards its completion, might consistently ask that the doors of the Temple be opened to him. Brother Snow could not see how the Apostles could fellowship Brother Thatcher except through his humility and repentance, and that Brother Thatcher should be required to meet with his quorum as soon as his physical condition would warrant, and also that he make personal satisfaction with Presidents Geo[rge]. Q. Cannon and Jos[eph]. F. Smith.
President Cannon said he would not require any man to ask his forgiveness, whatever Brother Thatcher might feel desirous of doing, would be a matter personal with him. Pres[iden]t. Cannon said he had prayed fervently to the Lord that Brother Thatcher's anger might be turned from him; he believed the Lord had heard his prayer. He had no ill feelings towards Brother Thatcher, but felt sure that if Brother Thatcher had claimed the fellowship of his quorum, he also could extend the hand of fellowship to him. He did not wish that his name should be connected with the matter of Brother Thatcher's standing as an Apostle, but if Brother Thatcher felt to come with honesty in his heart to make things right he would appreciate it. The attack made upon him when in prison was very bitter, and articles had appeared since in the Logan Journal, the editor of which acted as champion to Brother Thatcher, and if it was not true that Brother Thatcher was personally interested in that paper, still if he had not believed the things stated in its columns, he ought to have made that known, and he felt that it was due to his fellow Apostles that Brother Thatcher should correct what had been said concerning himself. The only specific charge however against Brother Thatcher as he views it, would be that he had not the spirit of his Apostleship.
President Woodruff said the spirit manifested by Brother Thatcher towards Brother Cannon immediately after the death of President [John] Taylor, was the spirit of an enemy, and he doubted very much that Brother Thatcher had ever succeeded in ridding himself of it.
President J[oseph]. F. Smith thought there was nothing in the letter read that spoke of genuine humility or showed that Brother Thatcher senses his true position. Brother Thatcher would have to understand that he is absolutely suspended, and that nothing but the spirit of true repentance and genuine humility could restore him. If he could get that spirit sufficiently to approach President Snow and his fellow Apostles to learn what he should do, he, President Smith, felt he could join with his brethren to help him, otherwise he could not.
Elder F[rancis]. M. Lyman thought that when Brother Thatcher got the spirit of the Apostleship, he would know himself that he had not been on the right track; that he had set himself up to be a law unto himself; that he had not been one with his brethren and the Presidency, and that his course has tended to bring the authorities of the Church into disrepute. Brother Lyman believed that Brother Thatcher's sickness was partly due to his disregard to the Word of Wisdom, and the record of his scant attendance at the meetings of this council showed that he had lost the spirit of his Apostleship.
President Woodruff said he couldn't see the least particle of light under heaven which encouraged him to believe that Brother Thatcher could ever again be united with this council, nor did he believe that the desire in him was to do so.
Elder B[righam]. Young expressed his feelings to the effect that nothing Brother Thatcher could do would avail with the brethren of the Council unless through repentance and humility. He must manifest a broken heart and contrite spirit before he could take him by the hand and welcome him as an Apostle.
Elder G[eorge]. Teasdale referred to the advice given to Brother Thatcher by Pres[iden]t. Snow on a former occasion to go to the First Presidency and make everything right with them. This he had not done, but he had associated with men who were filled with the spirit of evil, and the speaker believed that Brother Thatcher would apostatize if he did not thoroughly repent and obtain the forgiveness of the Lord and his brethren.
President Woodruff here remarked that Brother Thatcher would not have to move very far from where he now is in order to apostatize. He did not wish to prophecy evil concerning any man, but his feelings were that the members of this council would all be in the spirit world before they saw Brother Moses united with them. He would be glad of course to have Brother Moses regain his fellowship, but he had seen so much in his experience of the kind of spirit that Brother Moses is possessed of, that he was almost without hope of a change, as he knew the danger of it.
Elder H[eber]. J. Grant felt that Brother Thatcher should be brought to task for what he had done in helping to break up the solemn agreement and covenant entered into by President John Taylor and others, resulting in what was known as the "dedicated stock" of the Bullion-Beck Company; that Brother Moses should have helped to preserve that stock to the Church, instead of demanding that which he claimed as his own, thereby setting an example for others to do likewise, resulting in loss to the Church of perhaps one million dollars.
Elder F[ranklin]. D. Richards who spoke previously to Brother Grant, suggested that a copy of the Deseret News containing the full report of the remarks of the brethren made at the General Conference, concerning Brother Thatcher, be sent to him, with an answer to his communication. Brother Richards thought that when an appointment should be made to meet with Brother Thatcher it would be better for the quorum to meet in the Annex of the Temple.
It was decided that the following letter should be sent, and that any appointment of the quorum with Brother Thatcher should be made at his own request:
Salt Lake City, Oct[ober]. 23, 1896.
Elder Moses Thatcher, City.
Dear Brother: —
Your communication of the 16th inst., was received by me on the 19th, and its
contents carefully noted. Since the writing of your letter the full stenographic report of the
remarks of the brethren made at our late general conference has been published in the Deseret
News, in which their feelings concerning you are quite freely expressed; and you not having
read these published remarks prior to the writing of your communication, I take it for granted
that it will not be necessary for me to explain or answer further. With kindest regards, Your
Brother,
Lorenzo Snow.
By request of Pres[iden]t. Jos[eph]. F. Smith, Bro[ther]. Nephi L. Morris was added to the list of Aids to the General Sup[erintenden]t. Y[oung]. Men's]. M[utual]. I[mprovement]. A[ssociation].
Before the Council separated, President Woodruff exhorted the brethren not to slacken their endeavors both in faith and works in behalf of Brother Moses Thatcher, for notwithstanding what he had expressed of his personal feelings as to the prospects, he hoped the Apostles would do all they could consistently to help Brother Thatcher.
Met council in Temple. Pres[iden]t Snow rec[eive]d letter from Moses Thatcher. not humble asks specific charges sent him remarks of Pres[iden]t and 12 on his case made during Conference; his letter was dated prior to those remarks being published. 16th I think. (2)
Endnotes:
1 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
2 - Journal History; Brigham Young Jr., Diary
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
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Lorenzo Snow, Oct 1, 1896
-- Oct 1, 1896
Meeting of the Presidency and Apostles at the Temple at 11 A.M. Present: Presidents W[ilford]. Woodruff, G[eorge]. Q. Cannon, J[oseph]. F. Smith, and L[orenzo]. Snow; Elders F[ranklin]. D. Richards, B[righam]. Young [Jr.], F[rancis]. M. Lyman, J[ohn]. H[enry]. Smith, G[eorge]. Teasdale, H[eber]. J. Grant, J[ohn]. W. Taylor, M[arriner]. W[ood]. Merrill and A[nthon]. H. Lund. Elder F[ranklin]. D. Richards, by request of President Snow, reported that the Apostles had been considering the labors of the missionaries, about 1200 Elders being in the field. They were expected to purchase out of their own funds tracts for distribution among the people. It was the opinion of the Apostles that the Church should supply printed matter for distribution.
Elder A[nthon]. H. Lund said the custom among the missionaries in Europe was for them to buy their own tracts; this being quite a hardship, he had told those who were not financially able to buy them, that they might use church funds for the purpose. As a rule, however, they did not avail themselves of the privilege. There were about 600,000 tracts distributed in England every year alone.
In Norway and Sweden the Elders sold their tracts; in Denmark they were prohibited from doing this without a bookseller's license; therefore they had to give them away. In Germany the Elders were forbidden by law to give tracts, and therefore they sought conversations with the people. Brother Lund thought the Church should provide suitable tracts for distribution by the missionaries. Concerning the Elders laboring without purse or scrip, he said it was practicable in some places but not in others. In the British mission the Elders had to sustain themselves, and it was a common thing for them to help the people, instead of receiving sustenance from them. In this respect times had changed very much. Some experienced Elders who had performed previous missions to Scandinavia without purse or scrip, and endeavored to do so on their new missions, had found it impossible to accomplish it. In Denmark the law forbids the citizens to lodge strangers without a license. In Holland and Belgium the Elders got along fairly well with but little expenditures of means. In Germany in places where there were but few Elders they could get along without purse or scrip, but as a general thing it was found they could not do so. Of course they might if their faith was strong enough, but to accomplish it they would no doubt suffer a great deal. Some of the Elders in Europe who had means had been in the habit of leaving a shilling under the plate after eating a meal in the houses of poor Saints. The result was that those Elders who could afford to do this were welcomed, while others not able to do so, were not as welcome. Brother Lund therefore had counseled the brethren to cease this practice.
President Geo[rge]. Q. Cannon expressed his pleasure that the Apostles were considering the subject of missionary work. He regretted that there was not sufficient care taken to provide labor and shelter for the Saints who were brought here from abroad. The cost of sending out 1200 missionaries was very great, and he feared that in consequence of neglect and lack of employment, many of the people brought here by their labors became disaffected and some apostatized. He felt that this ought to be corrected; an organization ought to be effected to look after the welfare of the emigrants. This was one thing that should occupy the time and attention of the Presiding Bishopric.
President Woodruff expressed his feeling in regards to the burden of indebtedness which he was carrying as Trustee-in-trust for the Church, and which had borne very heavily upon him of late.
President Cannon referring to the financial condition of the Church, remarked that if the "dedicated stock" of the Bullion-Beck Company had been held according to agreement, the Church would have been in a financial position it never occupied before. Three-fifths of the Bullion-Beck stock was in his hands at the death of President [John] Taylor as a result of a solemn covenant entered into between President Taylor, John Beck and himself, to hold it for sacred purposes, and if this had been kept, the Church today would have been financially strong, and able to do anything it wanted to do. President Cannon went on to explain that when he was in the penitentiary, he was informed by Brother F[ranklin]. S. Richards that it was the intention to sue him if he did not surrender the "dedicated stock." He replied that they might sue, and thereby let the Church and the world know who the covenant breakers were. He perceived however, that it was a matter he could not allow to go into court, and he told Brother Moses Thatcher that his self respect would not permit him to hold this stock after what had occurred. President Cannon said that if Brothers Moses Thatcher and John W. Taylor had united with him in preserving intact that solemn covenant which had been entered into, the Church would be in possession of ample means. But in consequence of their receiving back that dedicated stock, John Beck on his return from Germany, demanded his stock also, which President Cannon returned, the amount being $50,000.
Elder John W. Taylor stated that so far as he was concerned he had never authorized Brother F[ranklin]. S. Richards to say anything to President Cannon in regard to a suit at law, nor did he know anything about "dedicated stock." It had always been represented as pooled stock. He and his brother Geo[rge]. J. Taylor had handled the stock for his father's family, and it would not have been sold by him to John Beck, if the Taylor family had been accorded representation on the Board of Directors. Up to the time of the sale to John Beck, the stock had always been represented to him as pooled stock, and he had never heard there was such a thing as revelation in regard to it.
President Cannon said Brother John W. Taylor must have known of the document signed by his father. It was not a revelation. President Taylor felt deeply impressed to enter into an agreement to buy the property of John Beck, if he would dedicate three-fifths of it to the Lord. This was done, and three-fifths of the stock was placed in President Taylor's hands and was held by him until his death. When Brother John Beck came home and demanded his stock, President Cannon reminded him of the covenant which he had been entered into. His reply was that President Taylor's family and Brother Moses Thatcher had got theirs and he wanted his, and Brother Cannon surrendered the Taylor's family, Thatcher's and Beck's stock, and had kept a strict account with his own.
Elder John W. Taylor said a document was shown to him signed by his father in June, a month before his father's death, and at the time his father was not in a condition to do business.
President Geo[rge]. Q. Cannon said though President Taylor was failing then he did not look upon him as incapable of doing business, and if Moses Thatcher and John W. Taylor had not broken up the dedicated stock, and had been disposed to carry out President Taylor's wishes in regard to it, the stock would now have been in possession of the Church. He had spoken with great freedom to Brother John W. Taylor, because he was the son of the dearest friend he ever had. Brother Cannon did not believe that Brother John W. Taylor had intentionally done wrong, he believed that he had been misguided, and that if he could have discerned the influences that were operating at the time he would have acted differently in regard to this matter. If he had hurt Brother Taylor's feelings he would willingly ask his forgiveness.
Brother John W. Taylor said it would be a humiliation for himself to have to Brother Cannon ask his pardon, but he nevertheless felt to ask President Cannon's pardon, and said further Brother Thatcher had informed him that the stock was "pooled stock," but that after President Taylor's death it was called dedicated stock. Brother Taylor said his brother George at one time came to him with a letter from Brother Thatcher, the tenor of which went to show Moses Thatcher in the light of a hero fighting for the interest of the Taylor family, and he John W. was asked to attest the truth of it by appending his signature. This he refused to do, remarking at the time, that Moses Thatcher had never done anything in the matter excepting in his own interest. He told his brother George to tell Moses what he had said, and he never heard any more of the document.
President Cannon and Brother Taylor were both pleased that they had arrived at a mutual understanding on this matter, and united with the very best of feelings.
During the consideration of this matter, President Woodruff stated that Brother Moses Thatcher came to him while Pres[iden]t. G[eorge]. Q. Cannon was in prison, and told him that he was going to sue President Cannon because he held stock and means which belonged to him. President Woodruff said he told Bro[ther]. Thatcher if he did this it would be the worst move he had ever made.
Articles of incorporation of the Grass Creek Coal Co[mpany]. were filed today with the County Clerk, with a capital stock of $200,000; Geo[rge]. Q. Cannon President and Director, Jos[eph]. F. Smith Vice-President and Director, Arthur Winter Sec[retary]. and Treas[urer]., Wilford Woodruff, W[illiam]. W. Cluff, James Jack, Nephi Clayton and Frank J. Cannon, Directors. The capital stock fully paid, up at par, is held as follows:
Wilford Woodruff, 510 shares $51,000
Geo[rge]. Q. Cannon, 510 " 51,000
Jos[eph]. F. Smith, 510 " 51,000
Ja[me]s. Jack, Trustee 410 " 41,000
Arthur Winter, 10 " 1,000
John M. Cannon, 10 " 1,000
W[illiam]. W. Cluff, 10 " 1,000
James Jack, 10 " 1,000
N[ephi]. W. Clayton, 10 " 1,000
F[rank]. J. Cannon, 10 " 1,000. Met fasting had sacrament at 3 p.m. The time was occupied by discussing the financial affairs of the Church. Pres[iden]t [George Q.] Cannon said the C[hurch]. was solvent. I am sure he is mistaken in this or else most of the 12 are. However there were explanations made which threw much light upon money matters of which the 12 have been wo[e]fully ignorant. (1)
-- Oct 22, 1896; Thursday
... President L[orenzo]. Snow informed the Council that a letter from Brother Moses Thatcher was handed to him last Monday by Moses Thatcher, Jun[ior]., three days after the date of which it was written. The following is the letter:
No. 101 West, North Temple St.,
Salt Lake City, Oct[ober]. 16, 1896.
Elder Lorenzo Snow, President of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints: --
Having in mind the utterances of my file leaders and others at the late Semi-annual conference respecting myself and the attitude in which I was placed towards the Church of Christ, and those in authority over me in the Holy Priesthood; and desiring to be, if possible, in harmony with the quorum over which you preside and with the First Presidency of the Church, I indeavored to meet with you and the brethren at their weekly gathering on Thursday, the 15th, but on appearing at the door of the Temple was denied admittance.
Later in the day I was furnished by the Secretary, George F. Gibbs, with a copy of the general "Notice" to the Latter Day Saints as published in the Deseret News of October 15th. This was the first notification received of the intended suspension of the functions of the Priesthood held by me. I was aware that my name had not been presented and sustained by the vote of the Saints assembled in Conference on April and October last, but no intimation had been given that such action deprived me of my priesthood or in any suspended its functions. Had I received an authoritative information that such was the intention or was in any sense thought to be desirable I would have, if possible, avoided occasion for complaint on that point. Now since I am denied the privilege of meeting your quorum for the purpose of explaining everything I humbly and respectfully ask you to furnish me in writing, conveying in specific detail the items of all charges of wrong-doing which my brethren may think proper or feel constrained to bring against me as objections to my longer continuance as an Apostle and fellow laborer with them in the cause and Church of the master, our Savior, to whom I also have dedicated all I have or may hereafter be. Until the remarks of the brethren delivered at the last General Conference, as they appeared published in the daily press of this city, apprised me of it, I did not know that the had held ought against or premeditated the planting of charges against me on any matter whatever other than that of my failure to endorse the "Declaration" issued last April, relating to political affairs past and present and future; and possibly complaining also respecting my political methods, words and works since the division of the people in Utah on national party lines. I had understood that my failure to see eye to eye with my brethren on those civil matters, and for not, on short notice, endorsing the declaration, causing the withholding of my name from the list of Apostles as presented to the Saints at the April Conference. The sacred and I believe holy bond of fellowship openly confessed and candidly proclaimed many times each to the other, during all the years of your Presidency over the twelve Apostles, and the sacred places and loving manner in which that bond of fellowship was, as I thought, cemented together, at least for all past and present times, if not for eternity, banished from my heart distress of every kind and naturally precluded apprehension, fear and thought of such darkness and ambition as that publicly proclaimed as having been the condition in which I had continued for a number of years. Under the newly revealed conditions, as stated at Conference, it may be seen how naturally and easily harmony might fail of its fullest fruition of confidence, hope and trustful love; for how could those in the light unite with one in the dark? Or how could one in the dark go to the light when not informed respecting his darkness. During all the years of later membership in the Church I have not been ignorant of the divine admonition that Lucifer would if possible deceive even the very elect of God; and I have also
endeavored to keep ever before my eyes, that other admonition: "Let him who thinks he standeth take heed lest he falleth". From that I thought I had learned how helpless I would be without the merciful aid of my brethren and the compassionate and loving kindness of the Holy One, while passing an existence filled with temptations and danger which ever seems to beset those attempting to walk in that straight and narrow way which so few find. It appears useless at this point, and is a waste to even allude to the love and labor of the past of valuable time, for those whose confidence and esteem I have tried hard to merit may be well trusted to remember that all that is necessary. For the light and for truth, and for justice as defined in the laws of God I have sacrificed some things and may be willing, when necessary, to sacrifice all things. While greatly improved in health I am not yet in a physical condition to endure a prolonged or severe strain of body or mind, and therefore trust that I shall be given a sufficient time in which to answer all charges which may be brought against me. As to anything I have said or done contrary to the commandments of God I hold myself bound under this law to answer or plead guilty whenever the charges are made specific and have sufficient time so that the exertion shall not again force me towards the grave, on the verge of which, as you know, I have so long lingered. My desire is to do right and to be united with my brethren and those who preside over me in all that will promote the glory of God and the salvation of men; for as I comprehend the lessons of history he who cannot be governed is utterly unfit to attempt government even in the family relation. Praying the Lord God of Israel to bless you, and expressing heartfelt gratitude to you for the considerate, humble and loving manner in which you have presided over your brethren of the Apostles, and trusting that you are not unwilling that I should still subscribe myself as your "Brother in the Gospel", I remain, as heretofore, devoted to the cause of righteousness, the cause of God.
Moses Thatcher.
Pres[iden]t. L. Snow expressed the opinion that the letter was written for publication, providing Brother Thatcher failed to obtain the fellowship of his brethren. Still Brother Snow felt that Brother Thatcher's bodily condition should be favorably considered, and that if he manifested the spirit of repentance to the satisfaction of his brethren, his case might be easily settled. He referred to the labors of Apostles with Brother Thatcher the night before the dedication of the Temple, who worked with him till about 2 o'clock in the morning. Brother Snow expressed astonishment that a man claiming to be an Apostle, giving as a reason why he should be admitted to the Temple, that he had paid about $3,000 towards its erection. On that kind of reasoning Mr. A[lfred]. W. McCune, who though a non-member, had paid $5000 towards its completion, might consistently ask that the doors of the Temple be opened to him. Brother Snow could not see how the Apostles could fellowship Brother Thatcher except through his humility and repentance, and that Brother Thatcher should be
required to meet with his quorum as soon as his physical condition would warrant, and also that he make personal satisfaction with Presidents Geo[rge]. Q. Cannon and Jos[eph]. F. Smith....
It was decided that the following letter should be sent, and that any appointment of the quorum with Brother Thatcher should be made at his own request:
Salt Lake City, Oct[ober]. 23, 1896.
Elder Moses Thatcher, City.
Dear Brother: --
Your communication of the 16th inst., was received by me on the 19th, and its contents carefully noted. Since the writing of your letter the full stenographic report of the remarks of the brethren made at our late general conference has been published in the Deseret News, in which their feelings concerning you are quite freely expressed; and you not having read these published remarks prior to the writing of your communication, I take it for granted that it will not be necessary for me to explain or answer further. With kindest regards, Your Brother,
Lorenzo Snow.
By request of Pres[iden]t. Jos[eph]. F. Smith, Bro[ther]. Nephi L. Morris was added to the list of Aids to the General
Sup[erintenden]t. Y.M.M.I.A.
Before the Council separated, President Woodruff exhorted the brethren not to slacken their endeavors both in faith and works in behalf of Brother Moses Thatcher, for notwithstanding what he had expressed of his personal feelings as to the prospects, he hoped the Apostles would do all they could consistently to help Brother Thatcher. (2)
Endnotes:
1 - Journal History; Brigham Young Jr., Diary
2 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
http://lds-church-history.blogspot.com/
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Meeting of the Presidency and Apostles at the Temple at 11 A.M. Present: Presidents W[ilford]. Woodruff, G[eorge]. Q. Cannon, J[oseph]. F. Smith, and L[orenzo]. Snow; Elders F[ranklin]. D. Richards, B[righam]. Young [Jr.], F[rancis]. M. Lyman, J[ohn]. H[enry]. Smith, G[eorge]. Teasdale, H[eber]. J. Grant, J[ohn]. W. Taylor, M[arriner]. W[ood]. Merrill and A[nthon]. H. Lund. Elder F[ranklin]. D. Richards, by request of President Snow, reported that the Apostles had been considering the labors of the missionaries, about 1200 Elders being in the field. They were expected to purchase out of their own funds tracts for distribution among the people. It was the opinion of the Apostles that the Church should supply printed matter for distribution.
Elder A[nthon]. H. Lund said the custom among the missionaries in Europe was for them to buy their own tracts; this being quite a hardship, he had told those who were not financially able to buy them, that they might use church funds for the purpose. As a rule, however, they did not avail themselves of the privilege. There were about 600,000 tracts distributed in England every year alone.
In Norway and Sweden the Elders sold their tracts; in Denmark they were prohibited from doing this without a bookseller's license; therefore they had to give them away. In Germany the Elders were forbidden by law to give tracts, and therefore they sought conversations with the people. Brother Lund thought the Church should provide suitable tracts for distribution by the missionaries. Concerning the Elders laboring without purse or scrip, he said it was practicable in some places but not in others. In the British mission the Elders had to sustain themselves, and it was a common thing for them to help the people, instead of receiving sustenance from them. In this respect times had changed very much. Some experienced Elders who had performed previous missions to Scandinavia without purse or scrip, and endeavored to do so on their new missions, had found it impossible to accomplish it. In Denmark the law forbids the citizens to lodge strangers without a license. In Holland and Belgium the Elders got along fairly well with but little expenditures of means. In Germany in places where there were but few Elders they could get along without purse or scrip, but as a general thing it was found they could not do so. Of course they might if their faith was strong enough, but to accomplish it they would no doubt suffer a great deal. Some of the Elders in Europe who had means had been in the habit of leaving a shilling under the plate after eating a meal in the houses of poor Saints. The result was that those Elders who could afford to do this were welcomed, while others not able to do so, were not as welcome. Brother Lund therefore had counseled the brethren to cease this practice.
President Geo[rge]. Q. Cannon expressed his pleasure that the Apostles were considering the subject of missionary work. He regretted that there was not sufficient care taken to provide labor and shelter for the Saints who were brought here from abroad. The cost of sending out 1200 missionaries was very great, and he feared that in consequence of neglect and lack of employment, many of the people brought here by their labors became disaffected and some apostatized. He felt that this ought to be corrected; an organization ought to be effected to look after the welfare of the emigrants. This was one thing that should occupy the time and attention of the Presiding Bishopric.
President Woodruff expressed his feeling in regards to the burden of indebtedness which he was carrying as Trustee-in-trust for the Church, and which had borne very heavily upon him of late.
President Cannon referring to the financial condition of the Church, remarked that if the "dedicated stock" of the Bullion-Beck Company had been held according to agreement, the Church would have been in a financial position it never occupied before. Three-fifths of the Bullion-Beck stock was in his hands at the death of President [John] Taylor as a result of a solemn covenant entered into between President Taylor, John Beck and himself, to hold it for sacred purposes, and if this had been kept, the Church today would have been financially strong, and able to do anything it wanted to do. President Cannon went on to explain that when he was in the penitentiary, he was informed by Brother F[ranklin]. S. Richards that it was the intention to sue him if he did not surrender the "dedicated stock." He replied that they might sue, and thereby let the Church and the world know who the covenant breakers were. He perceived however, that it was a matter he could not allow to go into court, and he told Brother Moses Thatcher that his self respect would not permit him to hold this stock after what had occurred. President Cannon said that if Brothers Moses Thatcher and John W. Taylor had united with him in preserving intact that solemn covenant which had been entered into, the Church would be in possession of ample means. But in consequence of their receiving back that dedicated stock, John Beck on his return from Germany, demanded his stock also, which President Cannon returned, the amount being $50,000.
Elder John W. Taylor stated that so far as he was concerned he had never authorized Brother F[ranklin]. S. Richards to say anything to President Cannon in regard to a suit at law, nor did he know anything about "dedicated stock." It had always been represented as pooled stock. He and his brother Geo[rge]. J. Taylor had handled the stock for his father's family, and it would not have been sold by him to John Beck, if the Taylor family had been accorded representation on the Board of Directors. Up to the time of the sale to John Beck, the stock had always been represented to him as pooled stock, and he had never heard there was such a thing as revelation in regard to it.
President Cannon said Brother John W. Taylor must have known of the document signed by his father. It was not a revelation. President Taylor felt deeply impressed to enter into an agreement to buy the property of John Beck, if he would dedicate three-fifths of it to the Lord. This was done, and three-fifths of the stock was placed in President Taylor's hands and was held by him until his death. When Brother John Beck came home and demanded his stock, President Cannon reminded him of the covenant which he had been entered into. His reply was that President Taylor's family and Brother Moses Thatcher had got theirs and he wanted his, and Brother Cannon surrendered the Taylor's family, Thatcher's and Beck's stock, and had kept a strict account with his own.
Elder John W. Taylor said a document was shown to him signed by his father in June, a month before his father's death, and at the time his father was not in a condition to do business.
President Geo[rge]. Q. Cannon said though President Taylor was failing then he did not look upon him as incapable of doing business, and if Moses Thatcher and John W. Taylor had not broken up the dedicated stock, and had been disposed to carry out President Taylor's wishes in regard to it, the stock would now have been in possession of the Church. He had spoken with great freedom to Brother John W. Taylor, because he was the son of the dearest friend he ever had. Brother Cannon did not believe that Brother John W. Taylor had intentionally done wrong, he believed that he had been misguided, and that if he could have discerned the influences that were operating at the time he would have acted differently in regard to this matter. If he had hurt Brother Taylor's feelings he would willingly ask his forgiveness.
Brother John W. Taylor said it would be a humiliation for himself to have to Brother Cannon ask his pardon, but he nevertheless felt to ask President Cannon's pardon, and said further Brother Thatcher had informed him that the stock was "pooled stock," but that after President Taylor's death it was called dedicated stock. Brother Taylor said his brother George at one time came to him with a letter from Brother Thatcher, the tenor of which went to show Moses Thatcher in the light of a hero fighting for the interest of the Taylor family, and he John W. was asked to attest the truth of it by appending his signature. This he refused to do, remarking at the time, that Moses Thatcher had never done anything in the matter excepting in his own interest. He told his brother George to tell Moses what he had said, and he never heard any more of the document.
President Cannon and Brother Taylor were both pleased that they had arrived at a mutual understanding on this matter, and united with the very best of feelings.
During the consideration of this matter, President Woodruff stated that Brother Moses Thatcher came to him while Pres[iden]t. G[eorge]. Q. Cannon was in prison, and told him that he was going to sue President Cannon because he held stock and means which belonged to him. President Woodruff said he told Bro[ther]. Thatcher if he did this it would be the worst move he had ever made.
Articles of incorporation of the Grass Creek Coal Co[mpany]. were filed today with the County Clerk, with a capital stock of $200,000; Geo[rge]. Q. Cannon President and Director, Jos[eph]. F. Smith Vice-President and Director, Arthur Winter Sec[retary]. and Treas[urer]., Wilford Woodruff, W[illiam]. W. Cluff, James Jack, Nephi Clayton and Frank J. Cannon, Directors. The capital stock fully paid, up at par, is held as follows:
Wilford Woodruff, 510 shares $51,000
Geo[rge]. Q. Cannon, 510 " 51,000
Jos[eph]. F. Smith, 510 " 51,000
Ja[me]s. Jack, Trustee 410 " 41,000
Arthur Winter, 10 " 1,000
John M. Cannon, 10 " 1,000
W[illiam]. W. Cluff, 10 " 1,000
James Jack, 10 " 1,000
N[ephi]. W. Clayton, 10 " 1,000
F[rank]. J. Cannon, 10 " 1,000. Met fasting had sacrament at 3 p.m. The time was occupied by discussing the financial affairs of the Church. Pres[iden]t [George Q.] Cannon said the C[hurch]. was solvent. I am sure he is mistaken in this or else most of the 12 are. However there were explanations made which threw much light upon money matters of which the 12 have been wo[e]fully ignorant. (1)
-- Oct 22, 1896; Thursday
... President L[orenzo]. Snow informed the Council that a letter from Brother Moses Thatcher was handed to him last Monday by Moses Thatcher, Jun[ior]., three days after the date of which it was written. The following is the letter:
No. 101 West, North Temple St.,
Salt Lake City, Oct[ober]. 16, 1896.
Elder Lorenzo Snow, President of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints: --
Having in mind the utterances of my file leaders and others at the late Semi-annual conference respecting myself and the attitude in which I was placed towards the Church of Christ, and those in authority over me in the Holy Priesthood; and desiring to be, if possible, in harmony with the quorum over which you preside and with the First Presidency of the Church, I indeavored to meet with you and the brethren at their weekly gathering on Thursday, the 15th, but on appearing at the door of the Temple was denied admittance.
Later in the day I was furnished by the Secretary, George F. Gibbs, with a copy of the general "Notice" to the Latter Day Saints as published in the Deseret News of October 15th. This was the first notification received of the intended suspension of the functions of the Priesthood held by me. I was aware that my name had not been presented and sustained by the vote of the Saints assembled in Conference on April and October last, but no intimation had been given that such action deprived me of my priesthood or in any suspended its functions. Had I received an authoritative information that such was the intention or was in any sense thought to be desirable I would have, if possible, avoided occasion for complaint on that point. Now since I am denied the privilege of meeting your quorum for the purpose of explaining everything I humbly and respectfully ask you to furnish me in writing, conveying in specific detail the items of all charges of wrong-doing which my brethren may think proper or feel constrained to bring against me as objections to my longer continuance as an Apostle and fellow laborer with them in the cause and Church of the master, our Savior, to whom I also have dedicated all I have or may hereafter be. Until the remarks of the brethren delivered at the last General Conference, as they appeared published in the daily press of this city, apprised me of it, I did not know that the had held ought against or premeditated the planting of charges against me on any matter whatever other than that of my failure to endorse the "Declaration" issued last April, relating to political affairs past and present and future; and possibly complaining also respecting my political methods, words and works since the division of the people in Utah on national party lines. I had understood that my failure to see eye to eye with my brethren on those civil matters, and for not, on short notice, endorsing the declaration, causing the withholding of my name from the list of Apostles as presented to the Saints at the April Conference. The sacred and I believe holy bond of fellowship openly confessed and candidly proclaimed many times each to the other, during all the years of your Presidency over the twelve Apostles, and the sacred places and loving manner in which that bond of fellowship was, as I thought, cemented together, at least for all past and present times, if not for eternity, banished from my heart distress of every kind and naturally precluded apprehension, fear and thought of such darkness and ambition as that publicly proclaimed as having been the condition in which I had continued for a number of years. Under the newly revealed conditions, as stated at Conference, it may be seen how naturally and easily harmony might fail of its fullest fruition of confidence, hope and trustful love; for how could those in the light unite with one in the dark? Or how could one in the dark go to the light when not informed respecting his darkness. During all the years of later membership in the Church I have not been ignorant of the divine admonition that Lucifer would if possible deceive even the very elect of God; and I have also
endeavored to keep ever before my eyes, that other admonition: "Let him who thinks he standeth take heed lest he falleth". From that I thought I had learned how helpless I would be without the merciful aid of my brethren and the compassionate and loving kindness of the Holy One, while passing an existence filled with temptations and danger which ever seems to beset those attempting to walk in that straight and narrow way which so few find. It appears useless at this point, and is a waste to even allude to the love and labor of the past of valuable time, for those whose confidence and esteem I have tried hard to merit may be well trusted to remember that all that is necessary. For the light and for truth, and for justice as defined in the laws of God I have sacrificed some things and may be willing, when necessary, to sacrifice all things. While greatly improved in health I am not yet in a physical condition to endure a prolonged or severe strain of body or mind, and therefore trust that I shall be given a sufficient time in which to answer all charges which may be brought against me. As to anything I have said or done contrary to the commandments of God I hold myself bound under this law to answer or plead guilty whenever the charges are made specific and have sufficient time so that the exertion shall not again force me towards the grave, on the verge of which, as you know, I have so long lingered. My desire is to do right and to be united with my brethren and those who preside over me in all that will promote the glory of God and the salvation of men; for as I comprehend the lessons of history he who cannot be governed is utterly unfit to attempt government even in the family relation. Praying the Lord God of Israel to bless you, and expressing heartfelt gratitude to you for the considerate, humble and loving manner in which you have presided over your brethren of the Apostles, and trusting that you are not unwilling that I should still subscribe myself as your "Brother in the Gospel", I remain, as heretofore, devoted to the cause of righteousness, the cause of God.
Moses Thatcher.
Pres[iden]t. L. Snow expressed the opinion that the letter was written for publication, providing Brother Thatcher failed to obtain the fellowship of his brethren. Still Brother Snow felt that Brother Thatcher's bodily condition should be favorably considered, and that if he manifested the spirit of repentance to the satisfaction of his brethren, his case might be easily settled. He referred to the labors of Apostles with Brother Thatcher the night before the dedication of the Temple, who worked with him till about 2 o'clock in the morning. Brother Snow expressed astonishment that a man claiming to be an Apostle, giving as a reason why he should be admitted to the Temple, that he had paid about $3,000 towards its erection. On that kind of reasoning Mr. A[lfred]. W. McCune, who though a non-member, had paid $5000 towards its completion, might consistently ask that the doors of the Temple be opened to him. Brother Snow could not see how the Apostles could fellowship Brother Thatcher except through his humility and repentance, and that Brother Thatcher should be
required to meet with his quorum as soon as his physical condition would warrant, and also that he make personal satisfaction with Presidents Geo[rge]. Q. Cannon and Jos[eph]. F. Smith....
It was decided that the following letter should be sent, and that any appointment of the quorum with Brother Thatcher should be made at his own request:
Salt Lake City, Oct[ober]. 23, 1896.
Elder Moses Thatcher, City.
Dear Brother: --
Your communication of the 16th inst., was received by me on the 19th, and its contents carefully noted. Since the writing of your letter the full stenographic report of the remarks of the brethren made at our late general conference has been published in the Deseret News, in which their feelings concerning you are quite freely expressed; and you not having read these published remarks prior to the writing of your communication, I take it for granted that it will not be necessary for me to explain or answer further. With kindest regards, Your Brother,
Lorenzo Snow.
By request of Pres[iden]t. Jos[eph]. F. Smith, Bro[ther]. Nephi L. Morris was added to the list of Aids to the General
Sup[erintenden]t. Y.M.M.I.A.
Before the Council separated, President Woodruff exhorted the brethren not to slacken their endeavors both in faith and works in behalf of Brother Moses Thatcher, for notwithstanding what he had expressed of his personal feelings as to the prospects, he hoped the Apostles would do all they could consistently to help Brother Thatcher. (2)
Endnotes:
1 - Journal History; Brigham Young Jr., Diary
2 - First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve minutes
LDS History Chronology: Lorenzo Snow
Mormon History Timeline: the life of Lorenzo Snow
http://lds-church-history.blogspot.com/
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